3 Great Locations for Outsourcing Your Work

by Simon Black · 47 comments

July 21, 2010
Krakow, Poland

I was on the phone with a major bank last night. As usual, I had to navigate their automated phone system hitting ‘zero’ until my finger turned blue… I was finally forwarded to an offshore call center where the representative was more keen to follow the script than to actually help me.

We’ve all been there. Sometimes it’s perfectly fine, and other times the communication barrier is just frustrating. When done right, though, it can be a seamless step for the customer while adding significantly to the bottom line.

Outsourcing is something that large corporations have been doing for decades– usually farming out work to international markets in an effort to minimize expenses. It’s still a debated practice, but I believe that it’s an important flag that any entrepreneur should consider planting abroad.

While you can outsource plenty of work to service providers in your home country, going offshore lets you take advantage of lower wage demand abroad. This can be a much more efficient use of your capital.

So where are the best places to establish an outsourcing flag?

Depending on your budget and workload, first you have to know what you’re outsourcing. For example, requirements and quality for a one-time project vs. a part-time assistant vs. a full time worker will all vary from country to country.

India is still a top destination for task-based work. There are a number of popular firms that offer on-demand help, charging by-the-hour or per-task. The advantage with hiring an outsourcing company is that you typically get access to a team of outsourcers, and the firm will outsource each of your requests to the most skilled person for the job.

Hundreds of thousands of information technology students graduate from Indian universities every year, and communications infrastructure is reliable within the country’s special IT parks. But India is now struggling to meet demand, and its currency appreciation has reduced price competitiveness.

Eastern Europe is rising to the challenge, marketing its legacy reputation as the center of Soviet technology and scientific research.

Ukraine stands out with the region’s fastest-growing software development and IT industry. Labor and infrastructure costs are still mostly buffered from the Eurozone, and Western venture capital funds have made large investments into offshore development centers there.

Eastern European contractors can deliver anything from a $500 web design to scientific equipment and microchip design. For skilled programming, information security, engineering, research & development, and sophisticated product and software development, look to Ukraine and other developing economies like Romania, Hungary, and the Czech Republic.

There are some well-rated outsourcing firms that you can find with a simple Google search, but I recommend seeking out independent contractors with oDesk, where you can easily search providers by country. oDesk gives you useful tools to manage your assistants and ensure they stay on-task, and you only pay for the time they work.

The advantage to hiring full-time outsourcers, on the other hand, is that you buy their downtime without having to worry about taxes, insurance, retirement, and other benefits.

I’ve worked with many outsourcers around the world, and in my experience if you want extremely loyal, articulate, punctual workers, especially full-time staff, you simply won’t find more value for your money than in the Philippines.

The country has a massive base of talented, college-educated professionals, and because of long ties to Spain and the U.S., the majority of young Filipinos speak English very fluently and are well-versed in Western business standards.

The Philippines is becoming the go-to destination for call center operations, as well as business process outsourcing (BPO) services. This includes things like accounting, human resources, and data analysis.

The best source of resumes is the country’s top job listing site, JobStreet, if you can get access. They typically require a business license in the Philippines, so you’ll either need to jump through their hoops or get creative and find someone who can help you. Otherwise, as above, search the oDesk marketplace for providers in the Philippines.

You can find full-time staff who can help you with finance, marketing, medical & legal transcription, web development, graphic design, and more. Rates range from $250-650 per month.

Wherever you do your hiring, enlisting others is instrumental to scaling your business. Planting one or more outsourcing flags overseas is a wise step that will likely generate a significant return for your business.

Do you have your own experiences? Let me know what you think.

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  • Boris V.

    Simon, why did you skip Russia as one of Eastern Europe software development areas?

    • Mikey

      Hi Boris,

      I don't know why Simon hasn't mentioned it, but from my point of view, the biggest single problem with dealing with Russian businesses is working out a way to pay them, and for the person that you are paying to withdraw the money. This is 100% due to the insane Russian Beaurocracy.

      I've had forms that have taken 3 months to get, fill out, authorise, check, stamp, etc, etc rejected at the last stage because in my personal life history (yes, every bit of it since primary school, every job, every address) rejected because on one line I put down “University of Queensland, Student” and written in red pen was “Rejected – correct form is Student, University of Queensland”. Seriously.

      Getting money into Russia to pay businesses is incredibly difficult, especially for small jobs. After you've paid someone via, say, PayPal is incredibly difficult for the payee to withdraw that money. I had someone that I contracted, who did a great job, tell me that it took him 2 and 1/2 days to run around and take bits of paper to various government departments, running back and forth and sitting in queues in order for him to be able to withdraw the AUS$100 or so I paid him for around 4 hours work.

  • Txjackie

    I've been outsourcing for many years. One of the problems with India is the time difference. They are working when I'm sleeping and visa versa. So it takes longer to communicate. I've worked with a programmer and web design company in Argentina who does excellent work. Since they are in the Central time zone it makes it much easier to communicate quickly.

    • http://outsourcing-services.net Osioutsource

      You are right, because of the time difference it would take some time to communicate with them. But there are companies who offer outsourcing services 24/7 and they could communicate you anytime you want. Try doing a research for that and be sure to background check the company you are going to work with.

      Phil

  • Private

    oDesk's credit card verification procedure has delays and is fairly frustrating. If you don't have an urgent need and can wait a few days to a week, and are willing to deal with the headache of setting up, it's worth it.

  • David Evans

    I started working in Mexico about 15 years ago in the Construction Services and Manufacturing Industries, establishing a manufacturing campus for a fortune 500 company. Since those days in the mid nineties, I have been involved in what I call “Building Mexico”. I continue to do limited consulting work, on my schedule, there but have opted to facilitate, or put those interested parties together (Government and Others) with common needs rather than participate on a management or executive level.
    Outsourcing to Mexico on the manufacturing platform in the beginning was somewhat precarious with quality, procedures, schedules and generally all aspects of manufacturing we (USA) expect to be in place and well oiled. However, the cost of manufacturing was and still can be very advantageous to the cost in other places in the world. At this moment, Mexico has overcome those early challenges and through good sourcing on the front end, products equal to globally accepted standards can be realized and in many cases exceeded. Much of the success in the evolutionary process has been through overseeing hands-on management from the outsourcing company. Mexico now has those reliable professionals in place to insure 1st world quality when combined with an intelligent communication matrix.

    Mexico is no longer just a place to manufacture something simple, cheaply; technology is there and is reliable in manufacturing some of the most complicated and technological advanced products. More on this if requested.
    David

  • http://timt4h.myopenid.com/ Tim Nichols

    Hi Simon,
    Great article! I've had some experience outsourcing from large organizations in the US to large orgs in India and in Malaysia. In my experience, you really need to be prepared to get creative about your management style. One of the major challenges we have to be prepared to overcome is the combination of language barrier and time zone difference. A simple unclear statement of your needs will cost you a full days productivity because your offshore team cannot clarify until your work day starts. The solution is to be extremely detailed in describing what you expect from your offshore team. This is especially important at the beginning of the relationship. I try to be careful to consider that added overhead of management when planning for the productivity of an offshore team.
    I have tried to find some software development help in the Philippines recently as an entrepreneur. I've found a lot of positive information about that region through other channels as well. Unfortunately I've had trouble getting a response to my postings. Do you have any recommendations or techniques for getting response from the best talent?

  • TDN

    In my experience with outsourcing to the Philippines, the hardest part was finding the first few outsourcers. I believe I started with bestjobs.ph (this is probably nearly 2 years ago), and went through probably 30+ resumes.

    (It almost seems to me that they too have made it tougher to access their resume database if you're not a Filipino company.)

    Anyways, once you have your first outsourcer, and you decide you need more workers… offer him/her 150-250PHP (about $3-$5) if they refer a worker to you whom you end up hiring longer than 2 weeks. (or whatever arrangements you agree to)

    I now constantly have more workers applying for positions than I can handle. Some work out, some do not.

    I even used this strategy with some of the workers that weren't doing that great of a job, to find better workers for me, before I let the original worker go.

    • http://www.thrillingheroics.com Cody McKibben

      Good info TDN. BestJobs is a great alternative to JobStreet, as is Mynimo.com.

      One other great resource I wanted to point to, when it comes to the Philippines, is Sovereign Man reader Dan's site http://www.outsourcetothephilippines.com/

    • http://therealmeili.blogspot.com/ Meili1

      Great post. This is a very good way to get workers from the Philippines.

  • TDN

    I usually start my workers off at 45PHP (~$1/hr) with the understanding that this will increase to 60-65PHP after a few weeks or a month if I'm happy with their work.

    If after a few months they are really good and I wouldn't want to lose them, I will increase their pay.

    As I had stated in the previous post, even at this rate I am getting more applicants than I can keep busy.

    TDN

  • greyhatter

    Hey Simon, Most of my full time staff is from the Philippines and I use Odesk daily as both a provider and a customer but you might also want to try Craigslist for clerical and administrative staffing – http://manila.craigslist.com.ph/ .

  • Laura

    My partner and I recently hired a company in India to help us with website design. We outsourced to India because our new site requires some complex programming that we could not handle ourselves. We estimate that we're saving close to $17,000 through outsourcing, and the Indian company is completing the site in half the time as it would take in the US. We have found the staff at this particular company to be friendly and service oriented, and the head programmer on our project has been very accommodating. We found that there is a slight language barrier, but we've been able to get around that for the most part by making sure that our instructions are clear and listed step by step. Once our site is up and running, it will only cost $40-$60 a month to maintain.

    So far, working with this company in India has been a positive experience, and we would do so again. It seems that it's important to build a report and relationship with a company that you know will be reliable. However, I am glad to know that there are additional opportunities in Eastern Europe and the Philippines since things are always changing in the global economy.

    • Steve

      So would this be like saving 17k on a 20k,50k,100k or what? Just want something to compare to! Any links? – I am looking to have some website work completed.
      -Thanks
      Steve

  • http://www.howtovanish.com Bill

    Great article! I have had some regular outsource workers in India and the Philippines, but haven't really gone to Eastern Europe yet, so I think I will try that next.

    I think outsourcing on a very large scale for all kinds of jobs, even highly skilled jobs, is the way of the future. I am a lawyer and there have been a few proposals for American approved law schools to open up in China and India. That would mean a cheap legal education for the best of the best in the most populated countries in the world. Once that becomes common, the price of legal services in the US will drop dramatically along with the demand for US based lawyers. MIT has also made their curriculum open source, so anyone can acquire the same knowledge for very cheap. The same monopoly busting events are happening in many other professions.

    I would rather be the one to take advantage of the outsourced labor than be taken advantage by it.

    • lf

      I hope that you are not implying that students choose MIT or Harvard based on curriculum. Good luck with outsourcing MIT.

  • Outsourcer

    We have used Odesk and Freelancer.com (formerly GetAFreelancer.com) to outsource projects for the past 6 years.

    Out of over 50 projects we done, we have found the most reliable (skill + price) IT Outsourcing has come from Russia and East Europe. These had projects had budgets ranging from a few hundred to several thousand dollars (usd).

    We have hired some of these outsourced programmers as full time in-house staff. Its hard to imagine that and IT company would not be taking advantage of this.

    That being said, its not a magic bullet. Good programmers are hard find, no matter where in the world you live. We went through our share of lemons. However sites like freelancer.com and Odesk can open your world to new opportunities, epecially if the local talent is poor, expensive or lazy.

  • http://twitter.com/MiguelPancardo Miguel Pancardo

    Simon, I have had good experiences outsourcing personal into several countries specifically Mexico, Brazil, India and Philippines I run an Info products and Internet marketing firm, this is important because most of the work I outsource is what is called “knowledge work” the employees I have gotten them from personal referrals, but the best employees has been from the Philippines and I got them from http://www.bestjobs.ph, you can open an account for free and post your requirements, the most time consuming part (that nobody tells you) is the training part, if you are really serious about your business, about outsourcing and going global, training is super important and will take a good amount of your time, ask me more if you want

  • Cat

    I hold both Philippine (my native country) and New Zealand citizenship, as well as US residency because my husband is an American citizen. Our business is currently based here in the US — one of our partners is a New Zealand company and we are also in the process of setting up our office in the Philippines to do outsourcing work.

    The Philippines has been supplying BPO services for more than a decade now in the finance & admin, medical, legal, IT, architectural, call center, data analytics, and even animation fields. The best way to recruit staff is via direct referrals from people living in or doing business in the Philippines.

    The current exchange rate is about USD1.00 = PHP47.00. The mood and confidence in the Philippines is high and optimistic due to the recent election of Noynoy Aquino as president so now would be a good time to explore and invest in opportunities in the Philippines.

  • Roq

    Hi Simon, as a new subscriber I'm just going through all your old posts and I'm wondering, is it now too late to short the Euro against gold? Also, as someone who has never traded stocks or currency, can you recommend any books on the basics of trading?

  • Joe

    I use odesk and I really enjoy the system especially I get to review the work before I make the final payment.

    However, I didn't have any good experience with Indians. But, I end up prefer filipino as Simon said about being loyal, honest, fluent in English, and understanding western business.

  • Josh

    I have experience working with a VA in India. I found that he was eager to do the work and completed the tasks on time but the specifics of the project were not followed as closely as I needed. I also found myself having to put directions in a form that were understandable by someone speaking a different language. There were also the time delay issues because of the difference in time zones. Sometimes a simple direction would not be responded to until the next day and further clarification was still needed which took another day. I think it is still useful just more management of my employee than I was hoping for.

  • Josh

    You are so right about the Philippines! The best subcontractor I've ever had is from there and I have worked with him for about 6 years on web / graphic design projects. Very loyal, perfect English, and does great work.

    The only problem has been there's only one of him and sometimes I have needed other projects done, so I've used outsourced labor from India, Pakistan, and eastern Europe – but not with as good of results as my guy from the Philippines.

    I would recommend elance.com as a great resource to find outsourced IT and any kind of design talent.

  • Matt

    Great article! Soon we will all be wealthy business owners here in the US employing cheap labor from other countries! Woot!!!Wait… can we all be in charge over here or will some of us actually need jobs? I wonder if this outsourcing is really what is impactign our economy? Well, who cares as long as we increase our profit!!!

  • JaylieWoW

    And Matt clearly demonstrates he's never owned a business that found it necessary to engage in “evil” outsourcing. Clearly Matt has never heard of SOX (Sarbanes-Oxley), the insidious piece of legislation that pushed a great deal of opportunity overseas.

    Funny thing is SOX was the result of the Enron “scandal” (and scandals at other mega-giant companies). Never mind that Enron enjoyed patent protection from the US Government and helped write Government regulations around their own patents. And lets be sure to forget that without that protection Enron would never have been… mega-Enron.

    Strange thing is, the rules we had in place enabled authorities to catch these book-cookers, yet we still were compelled to make more (business cost intensive) rules and regulations.

    Let me ask you Matt, why is it so bad that American companies are shifting some of their work to people overseas whose economies depend on it? I suppose you also believe American organizations had nothing at all to do with our current economic climate (Fannie, Freddie, the Fed, CRA?).

    I mean, come on, certainly the Federal Reserve and the banking industry have done a bang up job of making sound loans and using that (nearly) free-created-from-nothing-money for good purpose. How's that interest rate on your savings account performing for you? Keeping up with inflation?

    How about that Fannie & Freddie? Have you enjoyed bailing them out? Speaking of the Fed, just how well is their current rate of 0% to .25% working out for anyone who isn't a banker as a means of “fixing” all that is wrong with our economy?

    Clearly, since keeping interest rates artificially low worked so exceedingly well for giving us the housing boom, surely even lower interest rates should give us some new boom we can bust in another 8 or 9 years. But don't worry, when that boom turns into a bust I'm sure the Fed will be happy to lower rates below 0% so we can keep the party going.

    Matt, get outside your bubble and stop believing what you hear on TV. Pick up an economics book or two. Learn why making it too expensive to do business in this country is leading reason for companies to seek more cost-effective (and according to this article), “extremely loyal, articulate, punctual workers.” Could it be maybe American workers have gotten a bit spoiled in their expectations of what an employer “owes” them for working? Nah, couldn't be that, we always make sound, morally-just decisions over here, just ask us!

    • http://www.boat-led.com Cameron Benz

      Nicely Put!!!!

  • TDN

    Certainly for me — especially when I started off hiring contractors and VAs from the Philippines — if I had to pay what the minimum wage is the US or Canada or more… there is absolutely NO WAY I could have afforded to hire anyone, and I would still have to compete with someone else locally for a job.

    So I would argue that outsourcing could in fact be HELPING our own economy..

  • Joe

    I got lucky on oDesk. Found myself a worker from United States who will do project for $1.00. But, that will not last. He is doing to build up his portfolio quick. He normally charge $75 a hour. He is verified and took test which placed him in top 20%.

    However, despite having a United States worker, outsourcing does help economy. It create competitive advantage. It means we invest in one who do best at efficient cost. In return, they will invest in us what we do best. This is a good way to stimulate the economy if we look world as a boundary-less place.

  • Letters

    re. i.t., web… India : cheaper, good English skills etc

  • Guest

    Hmmm, lemme see, wonder what skills Matt has? Sounds like if I were to offer him a job I'd have to worry that he would sue me some time in the future, and it's not likely he'd be a very hard worker either.

    But he's an American, and I should bow down and kiss his feet before he blesses me with his labor.

  • http://cjstreet.com Carl_street

    Personally, I suggest you seriously consider the People's Republic of California — after all, we are now a third world country….

  • Nobody

    You people talk about outsourcing American jobs being a good thing because it's good for business. But what's good for business is not necessarily in the best interests of your own fellow countrymen. We currently have millions of highly trained US citizens unable to find work because sacks of excrement like you people sent those jobs overseas to increase your profit margin. If you weren't so busy counting your money you might actually have a little pang of guilt, but then again, I doubt it. Shame on you.

    • http://www.boat-led.com Cameron Benz

      Clearly you've never run a business in the state of Washington. The taxes alone here are far from friendly to small or even big business. Have you tried to employ any of the younger generation in the United States? If not, I'd encourage you to try sometime and see what level of work you get out of them. Due to the entitlement mentality many have adopted, I doubt you'll get satisfactory work from them. Also, most in the US want stable work, and if a single individual is outsourcing some work to someplace overseas, it may only be sporadic and not something a US worker could count on. Furthermore, call centers are likely not something a “highly trained” US worker would be interested in. And, sometimes, overseas work, is the only way a business model can be viable. So would you rather the person that made the model remain in the work force taking a job that someone else could use or would you prefer that job was freed up by them leaving the work force and using the employ of foreign persons?

      Funny thing is, the very same people I see making this argument, are the same ones that shop at Walmart, thereby exacerbating the problem.

    • Mike

      Please thank Prez Clinton setting up the WTO, and Perot warning America about this prior, but americans chose not to listen. I have no shame outsourcing, and hope America and the unions suffer brutally, so then the american people might actually wake up to the graft and corruption in the current regime of Obama, Frank, Dodd and Pelosi, as they exponentialize everything wrong with America. Shame on you nobody.

  • Debra

    My experience with outsourcing, which is extensive, is solely from the consumer's standpoint, and I despise the practice. While I agree with Matt that it's got to be terrible for the American economy, my personal complaint is that the quality of communication is uniformly awful. Between the call center employee's unfamiliar accent (and often really poor quality English), his/her use of a headset which reduces volume, and the distance of the transmission, I can rarely get satisfaction from a foreign IT or customer service person. And the practice is so wide-spread these days that it's actually a surprise to encounter an American voice when you call ANYWHERE for help with a problem. This is one of life's truly most frustrating experiences!

  • Doug

    I avidly await your personal outsourcing.

    Maybe then you will 'get it'

  • Bose Search2010

    Nice post! I agree with the author. The outsourcing is done by large corporations as they believe outsourcing to different countries will save then financial budget of the company. But, when outsourcing to countries where people really don't know how to handle customers in different countries. Hope this outsourcing will change in all aspects. Nice post anywhere, keep up the good work.

  • Joe

    If we stopped outsourcing and start hiring Americans. The corporation will have to go through a massive downsizing to reorganize their organizational chart. The corporation will have to re-pricing their products to a higher margin. The next thing corporation are being taxing higher than ever and hitting with federal regulations. The union organizations emerged with ridiculous demands which the federal supported. With few years, the corporation closed or being bankrupt. We start to see corporation outsourcing again because our government wouldn't change and corporation did what was best for our country and no one recognized this effort.

  • SquirrelChip

    I've done several projects with eLance and RentaCoder and currently work for a company outsourcing to India. Both platforms have good a nice user interface, payment system, ranking and communications systems. Clear written instructions with checkpoints and follow up are the key. The work and the contractors have to be more closely managed for success due to the inherent communications shortcoming of telephone, email and language barriers. You can't clarify too much.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=562277396 Troilus Bryan

    I just started using odesk on Simon's advice. I posted a job for an iphone app developer and 12 applicants rolled in over night. I think this is going to be super cool!

  • Geoffrey

    People often use the argument of, “outsourcing is so bad because it reduces the employment opportunities of your fellow countrymen” (a similar statement was listed below by “nobody”), usually this is followed with you are so incredibly greedy all you want to do is watch your capital grow… yadda yadda yadda.

    The truth of the matter is, my fellow countrymen (I am an American citizen) have betrayed me and are betraying me on a daily basis.

    Just recently I found out my own brother uses “medical assistance” for his children – he being the great Catholic he is has decided that having as many gifts to the world as she can produce is a miracle… even when I his more fiscally sane brother, and everyone else practically, end up paying for it in some form. Some miracle?

    America used to stand for, you work hard, you control your capital, you control your life journey, you control your destiny… you fall in love and then you be the best parent your father/mother couldn't be… now it's full of phagotry, genuine leachery, incendiary idiocy, and distasteful obesity (let's not even get into the liberals).

    I despise people that try and argue for the cause of fellow countrymen – when exiting the womb were you physically connected to those persons? Just remember it takes the death of life for life to exist. Every breath one human takes to sustain their brains' oxygen level ends up causing countless bacterias' destruction and thus some form of life ceases to exist.

    I really enjoy this website and will visit it often.

  • Joe

    Some have mentioned that outsourcing is betraying their countrymen.

    To an extent, it is true. It is how we use outsourcing service. This go same thing on how we use fire. We use fire to heat up and to cook or we can use it to burn down someone's house.

    I am deaf. USA is a wonderful for people with disabilities to live in. We have good law. As matter of fact, we celebrate 20 years since Americans with disabilities act (ADA) have passed. Unfortunately, many businesses don't want to spent extra money to provide reasonable accommodation. They have found loophole to avoid being slapped by the ADA clause.

    Outsourcing helped me. I found many transcribers who will work for 3 dollars a hour transcribing some material like audio and video. I would ask the provider if they would provide transcription. Some will do. But, other wouldn't. In someway, I suffer a bit by paying more to get an equivalent information you received. Although, we have long way to become an equivalent function society. So, outsourcing help me get ahead due to their high volume of talented at very cheap price.

    Whoever complained about being betrayed by countrymen have betrayed me by rejecting me as a human being or will charged me at ridiculous price to gain an accessible. Outsourcing help me beat people in the “game” of getting ahead.

    If we become a society of better logic and emphatic and we would solve this many problem happen all over the globe.

  • Johnnymnth

    There is a serious ethics problem in the Philippines. It is a major issue that drives theft crimes for those who are bold. Swindles are common – even between extended family members. Police corruption and local corruption abounds. Their passports are hand written, without electronic ID’s embedded, and as such – many women working the rich sex trades through overstaying illegally in other countries – once deported back to the Phillipines often simply get another passport and return to that business. I recently spent 1 month in Manila in January visiting a nephew. He had a small start up business there and had been on the ground there for a year. He could speak the language well. He pointed out a lot of corrupt ways that permeate peoples lives there – from things as simple as altered taxi meters that clock 2x the normal fair…. Postal system is corrupt with value items stolen often from mail regularily. To the municipal power reselling scams that large Condo owners do for building residents in their many foreign Expat condo towers. On month was enough – The place should be better termed the “Island of Thieves”. While it looks good and cheap from a distance… It’s what happens “under the hood” that makes the Philippines risky. It isnt a place to trust your core business knowledge information to outsiders… People should bewary of this location for outsourcing.

  • PhilippinesIncorporation

    The jobs go where the cost is less and done efficiently.
    Of course in some places you might need 3 employees to equal the work of one onshore.

  • http://outsourcing-services.net/ Outsourcing Philippines

    I just hope issues about outsourcing would be finished soon. Nobody wants to be blamed. Let's think positive and let the time tell what will happen next in this online world.

  • http://filsupport.com/web-design-outsource/ Web Design Outsource

    According to the experts, the Philippines will be the number one BPO in 2015.

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