Apparently there was an earthquake…

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January 7, 2011
Valparaiso, Chile

Valparaiso is Chile’s largest and most famous beach town, only about a 2 hour drive from Santiago.  It’s summertime here, so it looks more like the south of France or coastal Spain than you would expect of a relatively unknown place like Chile.

This is typically the reaction I get when I talk to most people about Chile– they know about the miners, and they know about the earthquake, but their expectations are of some banana republic, not an exceedingly civilized, almost European country.

On that note, let’s move on to this week’s questions.

First, Nancy asks, “Simon, what happened to the 7.0 earthquake in Chile this week?  What’s it like being in an earthquake region?”

To be honest, I didn’t have the foggiest idea that we had an earthquake a few days ago. It was fairly close, about 350 miles away, yet we didn’t feel anything here in Santiago.

Every country in the world has multiple elements of potential disaster– hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, wildfires, volcanoes, landslides, floods, avalanches, blizzards, disease pandemics, etc.

It happens everywhere, there’s no avoiding it. Some of the worst natural disasters in history have been in places like Portugal, New Zealand, Thailand, Alaska, Japan, US, Italy, Turkey, Mexico, Argentina, etc.

I’m not trying to be nonchalant about such awesome forces of nature, but have experienced several myself, the critical distinction is how each place deals with its disasters.

Floridians, for example, are so accustomed to hurricanes that they laugh off anything below a Category 5 storm. In Texas, tornadoes are frequent– in fact we had one when I was in Dallas a few months ago. I watched it from my balcony, as did everyone else.

Similarly, Chile has a geological predisposition to earthquakes; every couple of decades, the country suffers a major earthquake in the 8′s. Last year’s 8.8 was brutal, though loss of life was ‘minor’ by comparison at 521 victims.

Hurricane Katrina, by comparison, claimed nearly 2,000 lives, while the 7.0 Haiti in 2010 earthquake claimed 230,000.

The one that occurred this week was a 7.1 on the Richter scale, stronger than what destroyed Haiti last year… however there was barely any damage in Chile this week because this country has incredibly strong building code, construction quality, development planning, and response teams.

On the other hand, I’ve been to a lot of tropical countries where intense rains are commonplace. I’ve seen new developments built, and the first time a heavy rain comes, the place floods… it’s as if nobody designed the roads and structures to cope with flooding despite the high likelihood of this happening.

Panama is one place where I’ve been underwhelmed by the exceptionally poor construction quality, especially with Panama City condominiums. In fact, one relatively unknown fact is that the country does have occasional earthquakes; at one point last year, three earthquakes hit Panama in less than 12 hours.

Some day a relatively minor 6.0 is going to come within 100 miles of Panama City… and I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near the place, and certainly not on the 60th floor of those shiny new condos.

That being said, if you’re terrified of earthquakes, don’t come to Chile. There are plenty of wonderful places in the world, this is just one of them.

Next, my friend Gene wrote, “I turned on Fox Business News this morning. They told me that mortgage rates are rising, and this will prompt buyers to jump into the market for fear missing out on these low rates. This will spur demand and cause home prices to gain. Man, that Stuart Varney really knows his stuff.”

Thanks for the laugh. There’s clearly an inverse relationship between interest rates and property prices in our credit-fueled world. Nobody cares how much s/he pays, but rather how much the monthly payment is.

When interest rates are at 4.5%, $2,000/month buys you a $400,000 house. When interest rates rise to 8.5%, that same $2,000/month buys you a $260,000 house.

Monthly payments are a function of income, and if all I can afford is $2,000/month, then the best I can offer on a home is $260,000. This is bad news for home prices, period.

If you add in a healthy dose of unemployment, the overhang in unsold existing inventory, the shadow inventory of future foreclosures, the effects of rising property taxes, and a steady stream of new homes still being built, I would argue that the overall outlook on the US housing market is dismal.

I’m considering selling long-term call options on some of the builders, but we’ll get to that another time… I’m off to the beach for now.

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2011-01-07
  • Cmolls14

    Hmm. I agree with you in that it is wise to diversify your assets across international borders. I just can't come to grips with your fascination of this “police state” the U.S. is becoming, and the degradation of rights.
    http://qctimes.com/news/state-…

    There are so many examples contradicting your fear mongoring it's ridiculous. I've been meaning to post for some time, but just ran across the above article and thought it was a good example…one of thousands across this country. Oh, how about:
    http://www.azcentral.com/news/…

    …WOW can't wait to be imprisoned by one of these backwards governents for having sex — nothing like making an example for good ol' #1 in the sky!

    I have done my share of traveling and I know my history; you are completely underestimating the U.S. in terms of open government, economic/political/social/religous diversity and freedom…it is unparalleled, and for that reason will never meet the depths you predict as far as rights and economic output.

    Feel free to re-post this on a quarterly basis and include your “spun” facts and figures.

    • xearther

      There’s only one person I see spinning here and it’s not Simon.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XYGF24LWEGG5CSIDX3TE6FVY4M J

      Indonesia has what to do with Chile, exactly?

      Everything is relative, and things can disintegrate quite quickly in the U.S. due to its debt issues. Who is going to bail out the U.S. when it starts having real issues? The Chinese can only carry so much water on their backs for so long (and those crazy bastards are thinking of bailing out the PIIGS in Europe).

      You should read “They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1933-45″ by Milton Mayer. Let me quote you a passage:

      “What no one seemed to notice,” said a colleague of mine, a philologist, “was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing.

      “What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

      “This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.”

      Does this sound like a country you know and love?

  • Carlos

    Hi Simon,

    The thing about living in an Earthquake zone (unlike where they have tropical storms, flooding, and the like) is that you really don't have any warning. Earthquakes pretty much happen as they please and if you are way up high in a tall building…well…you can end up with Earthquake shell shock, where you develop an inordinate fear of Earthquakes given the relatively little chance that you will be killed in one based on the statistics of casualty figures in a given total population.

    For a tropical storm, flooding, etc. area you generally have some degree of warning and can take appropriate measures to get out of the danger zone until whatever it is passes. Not so with Earthquakes in Chile.

    Another thing to consider…

    My mom was in the big Chile Earthquake last year. She was up in a condo about on the 6th floor. As she is older she has a real hard time getting up and down stairs. When the Earthquake happened most elevators and those in her building for sure, went out of commission, for weeks.

    In addition to that her building with respect to being able to live in it safely was somewhat in limbo since the inspectors did not make it to her building to inspect it for safety for several weeks after the quake. There was the chance that they would have determined her building to be unsafe prompting residents to find temporary shelter somewhere else.

    If you are older and about to retire…Chile's Earthquakes, though relatively infrequent as a whole…at least the major one's, is something to seriously consider before contemplating a move there.

    As for me…I don't really care. I am going to die sometime. We all are. I know that my sins are forgiven and that I will end up in heaven when I die so death does not concern me as much as it might some. I say better to live with the possibility of a better life in Chile than to live in relative safety under a nanny government that is moving more and more in a totalitarian direction in the United States.

    There is something to be said for living in more relative freedom in Chile even if one risks, albeit a minimal risk really, being pinned under a falling wall in an Earthquake.

    Of course…my mom might not agree with that assessment :).

    Carlos

  • Ronnieakerr

    Hi
    I love Valpo!
    Hope you find the bar at the end of an alley heading east from the main street that runs north. I don't think it has a sign or a name even but inside they have a photo of Kennedy shaking hands with the president of Chile and fantastic food and music. I remember it is on the stretch near the Bar Ingles.

    Check it out huevón and keep up the good work!

    Ronnie

  • Alexanderjames137

    Earthquake has no warnings. This is another sad news especially this new year. With this catastrophe, many people will be affected by this. Hope those affected will be able to recover soon. Economy of the place will also be affected in some ways.

  • Chris

    Simon, a supportive friend emailed me the URL to your site a few days ago. It’s absolutely the sort of optimistic understanding of the changing world economic systems I have been looking for. I am meticulously going through your site soaking up information.
    I recently turned 31 and like to consider myself a budding entrepreneur… I live on a small Eastern Caribbean island and was wondering if you had any contacts in this region to speak to and possibly purchase gold?

    Also, I recently made an investment in the Forex market and have been trading actively. What is your take on the future of this market?

    Chris

    P.S. I’m looking forward to being a subscriber.

  • Gleongelpi

    Go ahead, sell the long-term call options, and do it short, which is what you see to suggest. It wouldn’t take much for you to get burned badly. , and, no, I don’t believe the housing market is ready for a turn around, but, plese, don’t give such risky advice. You might cost one of your dear customers a lot of money. All of these stocks are way down from their heights, and the current housing situation is built into the price of the stocks.

  • Chris

    Simon, a supportive friend emailed me the URL to your site a few days ago. It’s absolutely the sort of optimistic understanding of the changing world economic systems I have been looking for. I am meticulously going through your site soaking up information.

    I recently became 31 and like to consider myself a budding entrepreneur… I live on a small Eastern Caribbean island and was wondering if you had any contacts in this region to speak to and possibly purchase gold?

    Also, I recently made an investment in the Forex market and have been trading actively. What is your take on the future of this market?

    Chris

    P.S. I’m looking forward to being a subscriber.

  • guest

    Interesting to read of high quality construction. On various Chile expat forums I've seen quite a few comments on the poor construction quality- not necessarily related to EQ safety, more related to quality in general (e.g., leaky windows, etc).

    • Veritabletruth

      yes, I have seen the same-including lack of supplies like a basic level and workhouses at the minimum….very basic tools…this from american carpenters and construction workers who have had to use only the tools they brought with them.
      Sure, Chilean construction is safter than nicaraguan or panamanian, no doubt…lol

  • http://chicodistressedhomes.info RJ Laffins

    Simon, thank you for your common-sense analysis of the relationship between mortgage interest rates, real property demand and prices.

    I've noticed more activity in my local market lately. I can't quantify it, but I feel more buying activity, less “tire-kickers” and more real buyers.

    Hoping it's more than temporary.

    Looking forward to your “round-table” with Dillard.

    Wishing you an abundant 2011.

    RJ

  • http://twitter.com/Top100deChile Luis Leighton

    Hi Simon,

    good blog and interesting material. I was googling for a book “The Sovereign Individual” when I got to your site. I find your opinions to be very blunt and full of objetivity, that kind of clarity is so hard to find in a jungle of junk news. I'm glad you have a good response from your readers.

    I think there's a global awakening going on on the issues you talk about, and Chile is no exception, although you'll find most huevones in Chile don't know a thing of how bad the situation is getting, but you may already discovered that.

    I'm a native chilean and apreciate your candid views about Chile and what expats should look for if they choose to come around.

    Regards,

    Luis

  • Brian

    “The one that occurred this week was a 7.1 on the Richter scale, stronger than what destroyed Haiti last year… however there was barely any damage in Chile this week because this country has incredibly strong building code, construction quality, development planning, and response teams.”

    Thank God for Government regulations, and central planners; for without these buerocratic dictates we would all be at the mercy of natures wrath. Thanks for the laugh.

  • Lori

    No one I know laughs or disreguards any Hurricane under a cat 5 here in Florida. Where do they get these people to make their stupid comments as if they represent the majority?

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