• yt

    I currently have a self-directed Roth with Ameritrade. While not as flexible as an open opportunity IRA these types of accounts don’t seem vulnerable to this kind of government intervention. Am I missing something?

  • austexhm

    Simon–I agree that the USG is likely to go after retirement accounts in coming years (months?). Having researched the issue carefully, I now know how to set up a self-directed checkbook IRA LLC and to move the funds offshore; bit of paperwork, but no real problem.

    What I do not fully understand is how such an offshore structure will protect my IRAs from confiscation via 30-year Treasuries any more than holding them in the USA would. The feds will know who has what in IRAs — all they have to do is levy a full-disclosure requirement on all of the U.S.-based custodians, then follow the trails of depreciated dollars overseas.

    Even if my offshore SDIRA LLC has invested fully in non-cash assets like real estate, what would prevent the government from putting the muscle on me and others to get liquid and invest X percent of my account in Treasuries, under all sorts of nasty penalties or consequences that only they can dream up?

    I may be missing something here, or I just don’t get it. Please address this issue asap in one of your public blogs, as I’m ready to begin the offshore SDIRA LLC process.

    Many thanks for all you do.

    • Govmann

      I am considering the LLC IRA and have been for awhile. CAn you tell me how the process has been for you?  

  • http://www.mynotetakingnerd.com/blog Lewis LaLanne aka Nerd #2

    Simon, you’re a god send.

    Making people conscious of this BS via your experience traveling abroad is a blessing to those who use their common sense to understand it.

    My hope is that your message reaches the masses to help call these thugs out on the schemes. But then again, in societies where the majority wants something for nothing, these schemes always sound righteous and dignified.
    Who will win the war?

  • Anonymous

    Why do you think there are these types of pension-grabbing exemptions? Perhaps, it’s for the fat-cats who have been living off the backs of the working people for years (not just gov. types).

  • http://profiles.google.com/jamesld30pct178 James LD30PCT178

    I hate these twitter comments. They are just links back to this article. We don’t need to see that, go tweet on your own page.

  • Omega64

    I’ve heard of moving your IRA offshore, but what about 401K’s? Can that be legally moved into a self directed IRA? Any direction on this would be greatly appreciated.

  • http://a308539.myopenid.com/ Allen

    I don’t understand how moving the funds in an IRA overseas is going to protect them from the US government, which would simply require one to repatriate the funds, correct?

  • Gbarnett

    Simon,

    Thanks for exposing what will probably happen in the future in the U.S. I have been warning clients about this for a long time. I think you are exactly correct.

    I would mention that the government doesn’t really raid Social Security because it doesn’t exist. ALL funds collected go directly to the general fund, and have been spent before they arrive. In addition, 2 trillion more dollars are spent in excess of this amount. There is no such thing as a Social Security Trust Fund. That is a myth. The only existing account has worthless IOUs, and the only way to pay those is to print money out of thin air or take it directly from current taxpayers. That of course would cause a monetary depreciation, or monetization, rendering that fund completely worthless. The government cannot raid something that doesn’t exist in the first place.

    All my best to you,

    Gary D. Barnett
    President/Barnett Financial Services, Inc.
    Lewistown, Montana
    USA

  • Looking

    I would also like to know how one could actually avoid confiscation since the USG would know exactly where one’s money is, even if it is overseas. I’m assuming that would involve moving your money out of said financial vehicle and into another offshore account. If that is even possible without the money being repatriated first? (Those with these account should be able to answer?). And since the g-men will be pissed off once you do this, one basically have to just get out of dodge himself/herself and never step foot on US soil again.

    • Indostocks

       Buy something in the US which is equably as salable abroad. Then take this item with you abroad and convert the sales proceeds into such instruments that you can deposit into an account.
      I doubt that “sovereignman” wants to provide any clearer details due to concerns about legality of same.

  • Anonymous

    The “cataclysm” that will cause this in the USA is likely WWIII, which we’ve been trained to accept the inevitability of for decades.

    I already plan to take my IRA out next April and put it into silver, but what about my 401k? It’s got a lot more money. I’d love to put it in silver, too, but I guess I’d have to withdraw it, which would be a “taxable event”, and pay a large portion in taxes (but that still might be better than losing it altogether in the long run).

    If anybody KNOWS about such things, I’d appreciate a reply.

    • Jbuckner-cpa

      You can roll your 401k over into a self-directed IRA unless your company set up restrictions on such roll-overs.   You should check this out now, before things change.  Just make certain that you have the 401k fiduciary write a check to the fiduciary that will hold your IRA assets.  Do not have funds paid to you!  As long as it’s a fiduciary-to-fiduciary transaction there are no tax consequences.

    • Shedingdog

      Faced with this dilemma, I chose to take a loan from my 401K. I then bought silver. Since my workplace has the usual menu of limited, underperforming funds, this seemed like the best solution. I’m now paying the loan back with depreciating dollars, while my physical silver appreciates. Ultimately, the best solution would be to quit the job and roll the 401K into a self directed IRA, for maximum control. This is something I hope to accomplish soon.

    • Libertylover

      Stevor, I also have 401k to deal with…a good information source…go to Republic Broadcast Network. Search around and find Jeffery Bennett, you can get some valuable info. there.
      I just turned 59 and am not waiting…Take your own money while you still can.  

  • shirley williams

    robert sayes your ss tax money is spent by the Government on things like stress partys like the top ceo,s spent a cupple of years ago they spent a bit over 8 million dollars on a stupid party with we the working peoples Retirement money and that will never be paid back and now there wanting to tax the same workers stolin ss tax money that the ss ceo,s stole to party on there is no difference in state or local governments there all corrupt thives not to be trusted. 

  • GMT

    The situation in Argentina was different. The Government took all the money from private retirement accounts because the retirement companies were doing a disastrous work with the people’s money. The commissions were excessively high, the retirement companies used the money to play with their sisters companies assets. Basically they used the money from retirements to improve their own companies, no matter if the profits for people were good enough.

    • 1stAv

      And I’m sure the government managed the people’s money far better… 

  • Steve400

    One way to avoid this is to remove the funds from your tax deferred retirement accounts (if you are age 59.5 or older), pay the tax, and use the money to pay off your indebtedness.   If under age 59.5, then you face the 10% penalty plus the tax, unfortunately.  This will generate an income stream by the fact that you no longer have to make monthly payments (assuming the fund values are >= your indebtedness).  You will ultimately pay some tax on the $$$ anyway.

  • Gawaine

     do u happen to have any actual facts that support what u say ? like do u have government documents from Bolivia showing where the toll money goes? do u have the same documents regarding the airport ? I would almost bet money u dont :) and just saying I took 3 years of logic and umm how on earth do u go from What u say is happening in Ireland to u knowing the the US government will follow Ireland??  your argument although very interesting does not, logically anyways, pan out … thats like saying bluejays eat oranges a pigeon is also a bird so it must eat oranges….it’s not a logical conclusion given the facts that u have laid out …just saying:)  

    • Guest

      Gawaine wake UP–see NJ and NY and Penn especially NJ where you are NOT ALLOWED to pump your own gas as that would take a govt job from the mandated govt pumper at the station. Also the tolls in NY to NJ ($40 +) for a truck to cross a bridge ONCE!! and the bridge is a potholed JOKE. So it’s not road repair the toll supports it’s the toll takers, (govt job) that you are paying for and his her retirement  healthcare etc. Think and leave home and  REALLY LOOK AROUND for what is really going on.   

  • http://twitter.com/BeeSmirch Bee Smirch

    We shouldn’t assume Congress would have the power to mandate anything as contraversial as this article suggests following a “financial cataclysm, similar to the market meltdown we saw in 2008 after Lehman”. As it stands, the U.S. economy simply could not survive another such event. We’d be looking at the total collapse of the global economy and probable civil revolt. Those who hold the opinion that such a “financial cataclysm” is in fact on the horizon may want to question whether buying a book on IRAs is practical…
     

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  • http://www.newportrentalsnj.com No Fee Apartment NJ

    Hi, 

    Its brilliant topic guys that HOW THE US GOVERNMENT WILL SEIZE YOUR RETIREMENT ACCOUNT. I also want to know more about it.

  • Anonymous

    we have a typical niga in da white house who is spending lick a crack addicted boy in da hood so that we can all live like bouyz in da hood. This monkey is truely pathetic. God help us if the chimp gets elected again. IMPEACH THE PRIMATE BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!

    • Cjohnsondies

      pathetic post mate!  get a life, buy a book, and go back under the rock you came from.  truly an embarrassing member of the human race. 

  • http://n1ghthawk75.myopenid.com/ n1ghthawk75

    If those idiots in Washington pull this BS, we are going to revolt, and it’s not going to be pretty.

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