How to avoid living in a police state

by Simon Black · View Comments

If I have been too subtle in the past, let me be absolutely clear this afternoon: the time to do something, the time to take action to safeguard your future and your families livelihood, is NOW.

I’m more impassioned than usual this morning… and with reason.  Reluctantly, I tuned in to Team Obama’s press briefing last night about the ongoing saga of the Nigerian underwear bomber.  Obama’s is clearly trying to cultivate a fear of al-qaeda while simultaneously building blind trust in his government.

After the President’s remarks, his Homeland Security Secretary and Deputy National Security Advisor took the stage to unveil a series of proposals to ‘improve security.’

I’ll spare you the details as you have probably already heard them, but the bottom line is simply more government– a bureaucrat’s ultimate and only solution. This means more TSA, more air marshals, more undercover agents, more gun-toting soldiers, more pat-downs, more scanners, more searches, more scrutiny, more suspicion, etc.

How do you spell police state?

I’m ordinarily laid back about this sort of thing. I can afford to be since I’m a safe distance from all of that stupidity… but in this case I looked down to find that my knuckles were turning white, clenched around my glass of 2005 priorato.

I set my wine down and remarked to my friends who were watching with me, “What is it going to take for people to wake up and get the hell out of town? Do they need legions of storm troopers marching down the street before they realize it’s time to go??”

I was positively exacerbated.  The US is turning into a police state, and I’m not even saying this specifically to Americans living there. Many countries around the world are following close order behind Uncle Sam.

Once again, the time to act is now.  So what should you do?

First, make sure you have access to funds outside of your home country. This is one of the most important flags that you can plant.  You should open a foreign bank account (like I discussed in the Panama Black Paper), and/or consider storing precious metals in a private storage facility overseas.

Later this quarter, I plan on releasing a new Black Paper that contains actionable information to open an account at safe foreign banks that still take US customers.  You haven’t heard of most of them, and would probably never hear about them because it’s actually illegal for foreign bank to advertise in the United States in most cases.

Stay tuned for that.

Second, you should really be thinking hard about foreign property. Why? Because it can be a great investment; it’s an easy, non-reportable way to move money overseas; and it can be your escape hatch when you’re finally ready to hit the eject button.

Remember, I’m not talking about a 50 million euro villa in Monaco; you can pick up cheap land in Latin America for less than $50 per acre, and I’m pretty sure that everyone reading this letter has at least 50 bucks to spare.

Also, as I’ve discussed in the past, you can buy foreign property using your tax-deferred retirement savings, and I plan on revisiting this topic in short order because it is an absolute no-brainer.

Additionally, if there’s interest, I may also explore the idea of building a small, cost-effective, subscribers-only development.  It would likely be on the outskirts of Panama City and include self-sustaining fresh water and agricultural resources.

Third, if you have the means, you should really consider obtaining second (or third, fourth, etc.) citizenship. Second citizenship can be the ultimate emergency exit if things get really bad, and it effectively serves as the most comprehensive insurance policy you could even have.

I have a lot of contacts in this field, and my colleagues and I are currently experimenting with a few options that I plan on bringing to you soon.  I won’t bring you a passport program unless one of us has gone through the process ourselves, so give me some time while we play guinea pig.

Fourth, give serious consideration to your finances; unless you are already independently wealthy or have sustainable income streams, think about what you would do to earn money if you lost your job today.

Think about what skills you have– what problems can you solve that other people are willing to pay you for? What opportunities to you see around you that can be quickly and profitably exploited?

I guarantee you that there is opportunity everywhere around you. For example, a friend of mine is an intelligent, 22-year old girl who lives in Minsk, Belarus– the last bastion of the Iron Curtain.  While Belarus is not the totalitarian state it once was under the Soviet Empire, it’s pretty close.

And yet, despite living under a tyrannical yolk, my friend has become quite a successful entrepreneur, launching a successful brick-and-mortar company and several profitable web sites just within the last few months.

I raise this simply to point out that if an inexperienced but intelligent and energetic young girl can find opportunity in a place like Belarus, then I would wager that there is a plethora of opportunity out there in places like Panama, Abu Dhabi, Chile, China, Angola, Thailand, Bulgaria, and even the US/Europe.

In fact, I know this to be true because I see so much of this opportunity when I travel.

So those are the top four things I would recommend you do in making your own personal preparations. I clearly have a lot of work to do between the real estate, the citizenship programs, and the banking Black Paper… but after seeing the writing on the wall so plainly last night, I will be refocusing my efforts to get these moving quickly for you.

In the meantime, let me know your thoughts– I’m frankly curious to know what you would like to see in a real estate development, and at what, if anything, it would take for you to hit the eject button.

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  • Quizal
    I have owned a house on the slopes of Volcan Baru, in the "cooler" area of Panama for some 5 years now (near Boquete). Took 3 years to find the right place, but worth it. It is great having an outlet to the US nuttyness!
    My house overlooks Boquete and can see all the way to the Pacific ocean. Cost is almost nil. Got a 20 yr. exemption from property taxes. My biggest expense is the wireless internet! Local produce is really cheap, but imports from the US is almost comparable to US prices. But I can live quite well on Soc Security alone. Except for renting a car ($655/mo), taxis and autobusses are cheap...$15 for 6 hr express bus to Panama City.
    Lots of expats around who are good friends (many Canadian) and almost as many Panamanian friends.
    I think of myself as no longer being a US citizen, but as a "citizen of the world" and can live anywhere. If things go to hell in Panama (not expected), I'll just move elsewhere. We plan to travel a lot (my wife, I, and 28 yo son), so we'll be ready for whatever and in the meantime, have fun...no "Prisoner of Place" for me. Only requirement is good internet connection for business.
    Note to readers: Quit planning and dwadling...just do it! It's not irreversible if you want to open the jail door and let yourself back in. I'm sure they will welcome you!

    Dan Quizal
  • Don
    Simon, I like your letters as it is exactly the sort of info that interests me the most; I spent several weeks traveling around in Panama a couple of months ago and for now I'm interested in the mountain area of Bouquette and volcan however put me on your contact list when you make definite plans to build a community outside of Panama city. I and other friends now liviing in P. are interested to consider such a place.
    I'm retired, in perfect health and I'll be headed back to P in a couple of months to buy a small property to maybe get a start at applying for a pensionado status or whatever is best and maybe a 2nd passport. I'll probably start by spending part of this winter in P. I like what you are doing and I thank you for your excellent articles and the chance I have to, in some way, participate.
  • Ermintrude Smith
    We have already begun the process of extricating ourselves from the matrix, but cannot become Israelis in order to get a second passport. What are some of the other alternatives?
    Also, a visit to Panama made me realize that it is much too commercialized for my day-to-day living. Any suggestions for more rural, more private retreats?
    Thanks for starting this enewsletter which is great!
  • ernesto
    I'd like to know if you can send me any articles on the difference in property in costa rica and panama.

    I want to eventually move and open a cabin rental place. Now i work in chicago for the us gov't. I daydream of my escape. I currently get lists of property in Pedasi, Montezuma, CR, etc.

    I am happy to have found this blog.
  • Laura
    Hello,
    Yes, I am interested in an affordable real estate development, but not a gated community, and not one that is ruled by the ones who initiated the community. A cooperative community of like-minded individuals, with equal say in everything, plus living among the local people, is what I've been seeking for a few years now; this community would preferably be in Latin America. So add my name to your list if this is your vision as well. BTW, I'm ready to move by fall!
  • Carol
    Simon,
    Would like to hear the nuts and bolts of passport program and the Panama project sounds very nice. I want to hear more.
  • Paulette Hicks
    I am a real estate investor and entrepreneur and for the past five years, I have been investing in income properties outside of the US. I see an alarming trend among this and some other international real estate sites, in which the authors display a mindset negative to the US and to its government. I'm not interested in or motivated by the political views of others, and have no need to bash my home country in order to enjoy traveling to and investing in other places. It seems as if some believe that spreading fear or anger is a more effective marketing tool than promoting the joy and wonder of exploring this wonderful world.
  • Jo Ana
    My question to you is this: why have you subscribed to an email letter from a site called Sovereign Man if you aren't interested in becoming sovereign ? This email series deals with concerns and possible solutions for those who are concerned about the loss of sovereignty in the US and other places. I think you might have meant to join an email message service called "It's a Wonderful Life" written back in the 50's by a happy US camper. The rest of us want information on legal options for remaining free.
  • Myatlantatutor
    Paulette, freedom of speech is, by definition, bashing if you don't agree with it. Therefore, I find your remarks as bashing the very basic freedom many enjoy. 45 years ego the U.S. permitted some people to drink from the same water fountain as others. Today, these some people control the water valve. Personally, I think it's time for some appropriate bashing.
  • Simon, I would love to meet with you the next time you are in Panama, Costa Rica or Washington DC. I am a business woman with 15 years of providing professional services to the federal government. ( Done with government contracting unless I can get contracting work in Costa Rica or Panama. Any ideas?) I am currently developing a sales team to promote/sell energy efficiency products in America to build an income stream for myself. My real goal is to move to Costa Rica or Panama as an interior decor consultant specializing in Intimate Bedrooms based on a book I am completing. I am thinking to combine interior decor consulting along with working as a manufacturer's rep to import fine fabrics from around the world and other artistic home decor pieces to generate income while I build my interior decor consulting business Any insights regarding how lucrative these products and services will be in Panama and Costa Rica? Is there a strong market for fabrics for home interiors and clothing, home art pieces? Do you have any contacts whom I could introduce myself to that has or will need a manufacturers's rep? The money I generate will be invested in a bed and breakfast in Costa Rica or Panama. Which country would be best for building and operating a profitable bed and breakfast retreat?

    Thanks for your time and if I can assit you in your business, please let me know. I am educated and have years of practical experience successfully managing and selling services and products. I am available immediately. Otherwise I am planning to leave the states as soon as I start to generate income in the energy business or when I have landed some consulting work in either country within 3-6 months. (furniture already consigned, personal items are packed and ready to go). I will be in Costa Rica most of April. Are you near by for a meeting during that time?
    To Your Continued Success
    Patricia A.
  • Dave
    I am in a new business venture in the midwest. It is Geothermal, Solar and Wind Power. I have been a General Contractor since 1971. working in the Lake of the Ozarks area in central Missouri since 1975. Going through some changes in my life. Expecting to put my management skills to work. I'm looking at Panama, Belize and Brazil. need to restart my income stream before jumping ship.

    If there is anything that I might help you with on a start up project or new venture please email and I will share contact info.
    Thanks,

    Dave
  • Verne
    Hi Yolanda, Can you drop me an email to Sing2menow@aol.com ?
  • Verne
    I would appreciate hearing from Yolanda (above) regarding dual citizenship (Panama and USA). If this is still legal, the process information will be very helpful, and timely, for me.
  • Gdlank
    I'm not looking for a 'safe haven' as much as living as a permanent traveler/PT as it were. It's too easy to get comfortable and nest, and with dual citizenship there leaves a lot of room to bugout if things don't work where you land.

    My first time here and I'm learning quite a bit.
  • Yolanda Kisner
    I currently have dual citizenship from Panama and the US. I was born and raised in Panama, and left for the US soon after graduation from high school. I am now emotionally ready to get back home, but unfortunately not financially able.
    I can't see my self working another 10 years for DoD. I look forward to reading your daily emails. Any advice would be great.
  • Betty
    Hi Everyone,

    I am new to this site, the eletter but not new to the idea of expating. My husband and I have considered it for a long time with various reasons for having not done so to date.

    We are in our early 60's, husband is disabled drawing SSDI. We have toyed with the idea of Panama and love it. We have been told by others that we cannot do so because of our age, his illness, absolutely no savings...but the desire has never left. Is it truly possible for us to do so? I have read other sites, expat info but they always want what amounts to mega-bucks to learn how to accomplish the task of expating, not sure the info would be complete but the cost is out of reach for their information., which leads me to the next questions...how much money is needed to push the eject button, become established in Panama, where is the instructions to do so, the cost of those instructions, how soon can one do so? We're ready to do so if you will inform us step by step how to do so...

    We look forward to learning more and hope to push the eject button asap. Thank you for the eletter and all that you provide, it is definitely needed, wanted and appreciated.
  • Loar
    I'm in for Panama. I was there a couple of months ago and plan to return soon to look for property. I love the tropics, the fruit, the cost of living, etc. I'm thinking Pacific coast maybe in or near Coronado (1 hr or so out of PC), but would be open to other locations. Where do I sign?!!!
  • George
    I just joined your community today & have been reading the comments. Your observations about our new "Beloved Leader" & his "Fellow Travellers" rings true with what I've been hearing from most of the people I've talked to for the past year. I have fond memories of Panama & countries on both sides of it from the 60's - both in the military & in private practice. One caveat I could point out is to suggest a viewing of the movie Mosquito Coast based on the book by Paul Theroux.
    Any opt-out has to consider dealing not just the with the economics of the destination, but the culture of the land. Are we to isolate ourselves from the locals? Do we allow ourselves to be absorbed into the new culture? If we're not afraid of that, maybe Brazil (great culture & strong economy) or Goa (again, great economy & wonderful people).
    Just sayin'...
  • Jedi
    I would love to know how to buy land in Panama for $50/acre.
  • Bill
    I have considered moving oversees. I like English speaking countries such as Canada, New Zealand and Australia. However, those countries may not offer the privacy I would be looking for. So I thought of Chile as an alternative. Its recent election came up fairly positive. Any thoughts about Chile?
  • Lee Young
    Dear Simon,

    I enjoy reading about your adventures and excellent advice on many matters, and would appreciate your thoughts on investing in Berlin, Germany real estate right now.

    Best wishes,

    Lee
  • I've been ready to hit eject for about 4 years now, which you can trace back to the moment I quit working for the DoD and started actively trying to build my own business. Been a rough road, and I'm a long way to personal security, but I still think I'll be able to avoid the worst of it.
  • Terry
    First of all, I already have the desire to hit the eject button...problem is that I haven't quite learned to parachute yet! I've been reading for months and months about all these great expat organizations offering wonderful insight and opportunities in investing in and living "like kings on pennies on the dollar" but it all boils down to money to attend seminars, or buy books, or videos and presentations. By the time I got done getting fleeced, I could forget about being able to retire anywhere comfortably. The more I see about all the real estate developments going into South America, Italy, Europe, etc., and the pictures of all the high rise apartments, condos and hotels, seems to me like the flight has already begun and the investment deals are probably a thing of the past already? I really enjoy your articles and letters and, in general, agree with most of your opinions and insights. I think the U.S. is in real trouble and there doesn't appear to be even a light switch at the end of the tunnel we've been building. I'd be really interested in an affordable development that sustains the true culture and way of life of the area and doesn't result in the typical high rises spoken about earlier. Something that gives the residents their own wide open space and yet built with a community center. Maybe that's not profit efficient, but it's what would entice me to consider investment as a eject landing spot.
  • Terry, excellent comments about the profit efficiency of community. I have been musing about that for the past decade or so. After studying all those intentional communities, cults, compounds of every sort, and some real estate developments, I have to say that 99% of them are a total failure -- at least according to my standard. Either the hippies are ignorant of economics, the expats are ignorant of the locals, or the capitalists are ignorant of community and socio-economic sustainability and build something for flipping that you would even not want to park your precious assets as, such as your family & kids, or your car collection.

    In an attempt to boil it all down to a useful bottom line, I think a sound approach is to go in with a capitalist approach of ruthless budget adherence, and then deviate only up to maybe 10-20% on sustainability, community, defense, etc. In other words, Cafayate has its golf course for consumers, while some sustainable new place for producers has its passive solar energy efficiency & high thermal mass, cisterns, and fruit trees, that can all pay themselves off -- eventually. I would not hold my breath on others seeing the value of going through all that trouble without just flipping it. The American bubble mentality will take generations to purge from the psyche, and most people still do not think of permanent construction and community as money, because their life does not yet depend on it.

    The most common road to failure I've seen is for people to set out to fulfill their dreams. It almost always ends in disaster, divorce, bankruptcy, etc. So, I would just attempt some very small improvements over the pathetic industry standard, and then defer further improvements for some entirely different subsequent follow-on development. Lots of practice will improve everyone's options.
  • Andrew
    Great idea on the haven outside of Panama City. My Ukrainian wife and I will be moving permanently to Panama in March. For now we will live in Panama City, but we will explore Sam Talifano's project near Boquette - he is doing the same thing and calls it "Galt's Gulch".
  • Jai
    What needs to be in a RE development (or buying property these days)?
    1. Off-the-grid: run-of-river power generation or solar or geothermal or...
    2. Access to water supplies and purification: e.g. riverfront, lake, etc.
    3. Sanitation, e.g. septic system
    4. Ability to produce some food: veggies, fruit trees, chickens, etc.
    5. Ability to produce income: so you can buy/barter/obtain what you need that you do/can not produce solo on an ongoing basis. You cannot rely permanently, or even long-term, on savings if there is no investment or other ongoing income. Besides, so many people's savings have already been annihilated.
    6. Security: protect yourself from insanity, et alia, if the you-know r-e-a-l-l-y hits the whatsits.
  • Ken
    Hi,
    I'm 56 and in good health. My wife is 55 in good health and unemployed. I'm an evil government worker for the state of Pa. at a Veterans Retirement Home. We have IRA savings of 140,000 combined and about 70,000 in debt. With 4 yrs. left to retire how's a guy like me ever going to bust out of this flea bitten country? Do I stand a chance?

    Thanks, Ken
  • harley
    I think there is merit in what you propose. I've read the blogs -apparently mny other people think so too.
    I am retired/live alone, on $1650 OF S.S. with some investment money for if/when S.S. falls apart. I am therefore interested in keeping the cost low as possible in any project that I would become involved in. It seems to me that the ideal project would involve !.) fairly realistic cost estimates of the various steps of the project including various options, time projections and security arraingments. 2.) With this information, the people could select what they would commit to and provide money for upfront and perhaps lend their particular talent to reducing their own cost and the overall cost of the project. It may turn out that this would require that more than one project be zeroed in and presented.
    I have been to Panama. It gets hot in the Panama City area. It may be the optimum location but given the land cost and temperature plus some fairly good roads, I wonder?
    When I was in Panama, I attempted to apply for the pensionado program plus a bank account through a Panama City firm and got beat out of the money. Most of my experience in trying to relocate offshore has involved a rather flagerent attempt to extract way too much money from my meager supply of savings. I am therefore interested in specific sources of information and activity that are the most cost effective for accomplishing that goal.
    Please keep up the good work.- HW
  • Simon, what do you suggest for a 20-something college student with limited financial resources trying to buy land overseas, plant multiple flags (I have dual U.S.-Swiss citizenship through my father, however I wish to obtain at least one more, preferably Panama or Costa Rica),move my banking offshore, etc. Thanks.
  • Alex
    Simon,
    Thank you for the valuable information 5 days a week!

    My wife and I have been planning to move, and researching on paper many countries.
    We plan to take a preliminary trip, and see some of these countries very soon.

    My question is: if I carry some silver and less than $10,000 worth of gold, which countries will charge an import tax when I am only trying to bring it to a bank that has safety deposit boxes available?
    I have heard that Switzerland has a 14% tax on silver. Is that only if you buy it there, or is it for possessing it?

    I have called several consulates in L.A., but none of them know their countries rules.
    Can you give me and many others, guidance?

    Thank you,
    Alex
  • Micki
    Simon,

    My husband and I have been to Panama, Nicaragua, and Ecuador. We bought some property in Ecuador and Nicaragua, but not Panama (which is funny, because I LOVED Panama most!) We also love Ecuador (been there 3 times), but it's surprisingly chilly. We probably would consider a house in warmer Panama with enough land for gardening and kids (if it gets worse here). Obama and Congress scare me to death. I am much more concerned than my husband, unfortunately.
    Thanks for the hope you give us...it looks pretty bleak in the US. Does any one remember that we have a constitution??
  • Nathan Merrick
    Hello Mr. Black,

    Thank you for your newsletter, it allows me shore up my thoughts that seem to be so outside the norm with confidence. I know you are extremely busy so I will keep this brief.

    I am a 27 year old Floridian that has managed a successful mortgage company for the past 7 years. I have continued to thrive even though the real estate environment has eliminated 80% of my colleagues. Naturally my demographic is 52-70 year olds that are retiring to Florida. Through several years of experience I came to understand that the generation that helped build this country will not be able to afford to live here especially if the social programs default, which seems very likely. In response to this understanding, about 6 months ago (consequently close to when I started reading your posts) I began researching Panama. I visited Costa Rica for a month last year and found it not “ready” for my idea.

    The product I want to build is a self sufficient home, i.e. rain water collection, solar powered, and food producing, around 1,500 sq feet, 2 bed 2 baths, ideally close to the mountains and the beach in Panama. This way the baby boomers can retire to the mountains when the heat comes and also enjoy the beach during the hot periods of the year. Further, it allows the prospect to live their live in comfort without bankrupting their live savings. I have been compiling land costs and construction costs already and think I can build this home for 50 dollars a square foot with an acre lot costing about $30,000. Further this home would also incorporate a live in gardener and maid that would dwell in a small mother in law suite on the property. This way you would not have to send your parents to a retirement home but instead give them private care in a very affordable setting.

    I will digress from extolling the virtues of my idea to simple and humbly ask to be considered in any way to aid you in this idea. I will be in Panama around the beginning of the second quarter, and will be taking several members of my family as they are ready to purchase land and build based only on my research, i.e. cost of living benefits, tax benefits, and overall ability to thrive in an truly entrepreneurial environment like Panama. I will be looking to purchase your Panama Black Paper closer to the actual date, but I am more excited and passionate about this idea than anything in my short career.

    I have begun contacting various agencies and organizations in Panama so that my trip is fortuitous, i.e. chambers of commerce, ex-pats, and Rotary Members, but believe you could really make a huge difference in the lives of the people that I previously mentioned, as well as my own.

    I would imagine I am a small fry, but any direction and guidance will be met with high appreciation and further respect for your knowledge and how you are helping “wake” the masses from their cultural acoma.
  • Rick
    Hello Nathan,

    As someone who lived in neighboring Costa Rica and developed a boutique hotel that went south be cautious in your moves. Get and take good advise from experienced people on your side not real estate agents. Buyer beware reigns usually and many a time when you buy something its yours for a long time at least in Costa Rica (you can't sell it). Another point learned in Costa Rica are strong building contracts that do not allow cost overruns but rather "allow" penalties if building completion does not get accomplished in the agreed time (building time can hit your hard some times). Again if your not really ready take it slow and seek unbiased experienced advisors or partners on your side.
  • Austin
    Nathan and All,
    Have been studying alternative energy since being enrolled in Nuclear Engineering at Moo U. back in the 1970s, affordable architecture too. Many of the things I read in Mr. Black's article and the reader responses such as your own certainly resonate with me. Would look forward to discussing in much more detail, but will throw out one "off the wall" principle usually overlooked: Shed energy load, and make use of the "iso-therm."
    Years ago one of my brothers and I built a house out of masonry with its insulation all on the outside. The design could have been upgraded to sure-enougn seismic-capable, but has quite a lot of steel in all of the concrete walls, including embeds along all corners with continuously welded connections.
    In practice, the air conditioning comes on 1.5 - 2 months later than the neighbors; the heat goes on ~1 month later. 'Twas a learning experience, and could be much improved upon.
    Bottom line is that there is no way to sustain America's typical home or apartment lifestyle with alternative energy (which we should think about as costing us $0.50 /kilowat hour). Instead, success will come by cutting down on the loads by crtically thinking about what is essential and what is not.
    --Austin
  • MK
    Hi Simon,

    I live in South Africa and I was wondering if you can recommend any place to eject to that is closer to South Africa than Panama? Panama seems a great option for people living in the US but it's a few time zones too far for my liking. Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

    Regards,

    MK
  • Ray Kleiner
    Simon, as ever great advice! I have a project in mind for you in Panama which I have been working on for some time in property development. Email me above if you want details and the concept. My idea would be to create a 'resource pool' of like minded individuals to relocate and combine to generate an income pool but offshore.
    Explain more if you contact me.
    best,
    Ray
  • Debra
    I've now finished reading all the preceding comments and would like to add to my earlier one that I've never been to Panama, nor Australia/NZ, nor the Orient, but I'd consider relocating anywhere where English is widely spoken, where the political situation is stable, cost of living reasonable, crime rate relatively low, favorable tax laws, good climate, not too isolated, ocean nearby, AS PART OF A GROUP OF EXPATRIOTS (that would be important to me as I don't think I'd have the courage to do it alone).

    It's very exciting to read all the comments; makes it seem like something we actually might be able to do! I like the idea of working out the details as part of a group, where everyone gets involved in the planning and execution. I'd love if we could find a way for Joe to go!

    Thanks again.
    Debra
  • Debra
    Hello Simon. I've been reading your letters for a few months. They make me 1) envy your freedom 2) feel scared to death for the future here in the US, and 3) have a significant motivating effect on me to work toward expatriating. In connection w/your concerns regarding a police state, I'm including the following link regarding a recent development here which was done VERY secretively and which very few seem to know about, and I certainly think you're one who should.

    http://godcountryusa.ning.com/forum/topic/show?...

    As for hitting the eject button, I'm ready right now intellectually, but when I consider the mechanics of actually taking such a step, it feels overwhelming. I haven't even taken a trip in years because there's so much preparation required.

    I've been working for several months on trying to get my investments moved around to survive the coming storm, but it seems like every week the advice is different as to what will really be safe. I also own my home, which would require making some arrangements. I'm retired and believe I have adequate assets to make the move but, like one of your other commentors asked above, I'd like to know what you would anticipate being necessary?

    Any of several arrangements proposed above for a style of community would work for me, tho I think I would prefer the walled compound type with the living units built around a central courtyard. I would also want to have all the standard modern conveniences, which I assume you're planning on. The only thing I'd care about in the way of luxury amenities would be a swimming pool, but I'm sure my roommate would appreciate a work-out room w/the standard exercise equipment. (I hope this is the sort of input you're looking for.)

    It seems like there's a LOT of interest here. How many souls are you thinking to accomodate? You could count me in for two and perhaps a pet, which leads me to my final concern, but a very important one: my 35-year old Amazon parrot, who has been my companion since he was 2. I know there are restrictions that would prevent me from taking him with me to many countries, don't know yet about any specific ones.

    In summary, I (with my roommate and, hopefully, bird) would like to be considered serious prospects. I'll be very interested in your upcoming reports on real estate, second citizenship, owning foreign property in an IRA, banking, etc.

    I'd like to make one general suggestion to you for this site: The materials here would be much more helpful and easier to use if they were all dated. Unless an article is followed by dated comments there's no way to know how old it is.

    Thank you very much for all that you do, for being willing to share so much of your life to help others.

    Debra
  • Rick
    Simon,

    Thanks very much for your newsletter and comments. I am very interested in a community development outside of Panama City. I'm heading for PTY tomorrow (1/11) specifically to follow up on some real-estate. I'd love to be part of a new development as an investor and possibly even providing on the ground support.

    Feel free to contact me at your convenience.
  • Kyle
    I would definitely be interested in hearing more about Real Estate investments in Panama and Argentina. If you know of land that I can buy for $50 dollars an acre please let me know. I will buy it tomorrow if you have an agent I can contact or a website I can visit!
  • yakeen
    Hi all. Panama with Simon sounds exciting!
    But for those who are interested in Argentina, this what I can do.
    Look for you for property in the north of the country, more easily for me in the province of Salta, even better, in Cafayate where I live, or the Calchaquies Valleys, were Hess has his Estate. Since the Estancia story, prices went up, but they will climb further. I can follow your demands, and assist you in every aspect (buying, papers, construction etc...), in order to be protected and respected. You can buy safely as a foreigner. About the visa, you can go out to nearby Bolivia every 3 months, and if you invest enough, or have a certain amount of official regular income, you can be resident. If you want a passport, then, I would probably be able to find a candidate for marriage, then it would be a matter of time.
    In my present situation (Hotel to terminate, no money left), I can not afford to do all this work for nothing, so I would have to charge for that, I hope you ll understand.
    Hasta luego and good luck for your "Escape from America"
    Note: Here you will be called "Yankees", not very nice, but the worst is that it sounds like "Junkies" with their accent! Oh, well...
  • Larry
    I noticed that the casitas (small homes) sold out first in Rancho Santana. That appears to be what most people want in an escape residence. Either that or a condo.

    Either way, I'm interested!

    Larry
  • Arlean
    Hi Simon, why don't you give us details about your friend in Belarus? Sounds like an inspirational story. This was one of my constructive criticisms of Without Borders--the heiress feature. I always thought who cares about someone who was born into a buncha money. Where is the accomplishment there? It is the entrepreneur who makes it on her own who is interesting and inspirational. This girl sounds like she fills the bill!
  • Jaybird
    As the U.S. dollar seems to be coming to the end of its usefulness, which currency (s) do you consider to be safest, strongest and least subject to government interference? Also, since you talk so much about Panama, isn't it true that the national currency of Panama is the U.S. Dollar. If that's the case, then Panama won't be the right choice when the U.S. Dollar shrinks to nothing. Wouldn't all countries that use the U.S. Dollar as their currency, be subject to the enormous economic collapse if or when the U.S. Dollar hits its bottom? Please Advise !

    Jaybird
  • Andrew
    Hmmm...why is Peter Mac of The Q answering questions on this forum? Are all you guys (Without Borders, The Q, and Sovereign Man) in "bed" together?

    I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO ESTABLISH RESIDENCY SOMEWHERE WITHOUT HAVING TO PLUNK DOWN A LOT OF CASH UP FRONT. ANY SUGGESTIONS ANYONE?

    It's really getting scary in the US now....and I thought George W Jr. along with Dick Cheney and his crew were egotistical dictators....whew Obama and his crew are proving to be worse regarding the civil liberty and privacy issues.

    What would it take to make me leave the US?....a successful terrorist attack, that's what!
  • Jana Joy
    I agree completely! My husband and I saw what was coming many years ago, while living in Los Angeles. We liquidated all our assets: property; 2 dental practices; etc. and moved it to New Zealand 3 years ago. We obtained permanent residency and are in the process of gaining Citizenship. All of our friends thought we were crazy until the $hit hit the fan in the U.S. and now they're wondering how we knew. Well, it wasn't rocket-science. If you're paying even a little attention, and not worshipping the "Fox News Gods," it was pretty obviously coming to a head. We're trying to persuade everyone we know to get out of the U.S. a.s.a.p. Your suggestions are gold and I will share this website with all my friends in the hopes they will see it's not as hard as they think to get out of dodge! So, thank you.
  • Ying
    Jana,

    Could you share with us about tips & tricks or fast tracks on getting New Zealand residency, pros and cons of living in NZ, etc. etc?

    Thank you.

    Ying
  • JAM
    Since I lost my response I will not recap. I will say that one of the best developments in Latin America is Rancho Santana. Someday this will be the place to live & work. The developer took an "ideal" location & made it very desireable for one to purchase. The thought of Prez Ortega in Nicaragua does concern me. Simon, I know that B.Bonner & friends have invested there as well as P. Stansberry & some friends. That alone gives one some hope, but who knows "politically". In R.Santana there is ocean, farmettes, med. clinic. internet, T.V. etc. Banking is week. Safety is controlled by "POLITCS '. We don't want to "ESCAPE" from one problem only to jump into the same political problem again.The perfect dream is to show the Head of State that if he allows capital immigration to come in, they will quickly prosper by the transfer of wealth both in money & innovation. If not, you will get mostly second home investment by retirees!! Panama has a vibrant economy & a Prez that is a businessman. This fact alone brings in money & brains. Panama also has most of the ammenities that would satisfy people from the US & still is only a short flight from Ft. Lauderdale. The west coast would give you the ability to satisfy ocean & highland lovers. Keep up the vision. To be successful you must provide a "Yellow Brick Road' to freedom. Yes, this is exactly how you do it. The Sovereign Society, as you know, has many of the answers.I was born in Cuba, brought up in Brasil, college in USA, 5yrs in USAF,23yrs US Corp, 16yrs independent. I would be gone by now had I not been caught with mucho real estate in Florida & Illinois. Also, I have lost 40% of our portfolio. At 71 yrs I will not surrender!! My wife & I are trying to DUMP our properties so that we can move forward. I do want a second passport & bank account Your friends P.Stansberry & Steve Sjug have many suggestions. Internatonal Liv is also well armed with info & have been very successful with developer " fly & buy ".I have been to these fly buys & have found them very informative. My son in law,( who has developed in Florida coastal properties),& I have gone to Mexico to look at properties on the Pacfic side. There is opportunity, but the majority seems to want quick investment to flip. We are more interested in a long term Lifestyle for those looking to ESCAPE! I will be interested in Panama for sure. The rancho santana Vision & plan is more to my liking & people that have like ideas & experience. If you wish to communicate further, please email me off site so we can be more secure.I normally do not participate in open forums! Thanks, & keep it going! JM
  • Trapped in the USSA
    $50 an acre in Latin America? What is the secret to finding land this cheaply?

    Most of the ads I see on websites such as Escape Artist are for property that is substantially more expensive. Undeveloped parcels in Uruguay, for example, for which the asking price is $6000/acre. Beachfront half-acre lots in Nicaragua going for $25k.

    I'm seriously interested in the idea of acquiring a small piece of land in Latin America, and I don't have a huge budget. Where do I start looking?
  • Chuck
    Simon-
    Definitely interested in your proposed development near Panama City. Have been an International Living subscriber for several years, and now my age, widowed status, growing concern with the direction of our government, have narrowed my probable destination to two choices - Fortaleza Brazil, or Panama City. A self-sufficient community is particularly attractive, should terrorists decide to disrupt the satellite components to our power and communications infrastructure. Please pursue your idea, and keep us posted. Thanks for excellent information.
  • MC
    Simon, I currently have commercial real estate in Pma City and have been doing business and living there for 3 years. I would like to know more about your residential project, please send details. Thank you.
  • Lowell Hatfield
    I am deeply aware of the sustainability of our constitutional rights here (USA). The corruption that permiates our entire political system is, in my opinion, irreversible. Ergo, I would enthusiastically like to see a well developed real estate establishment in Panama. This would include homes of modest means with modern facilities where 'birds of a feather' could mingle together. It would also be desireable for the establishment of a 'hub' for expats to conveniently facilitate their legal transactions. The eject button is close at hand. Thanks for the 'Black Papers'.
  • PhilE
    Hi Simon,

    We haven't talked before but I'm one of your readers and we have at least some common ground - I'm a U.S. based investor in Nicaragua. I'll be there end of January / beginning of February. We could meet for a drink if you happen to be there?
  • Errol
    Simon,
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR NEWSLETTER. IT IS INVALUABLE.
  • Ying
    Hi all,

    I'm particularly interested in knowing more about the-most-up-to-date and first hand information on living in New Zealand, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile and Thailand - how to get permanent resident status via fast tracks (tips and tricks), cost of living, citizenship, real estate, income taxes, etc. etc. Can we have in-depth discussions on those countries?

    Thanks in advance.
  • Jana Joy
    We hit the eject button and moved to New Zealand 3 years ago from Los Angeles. The easiest and fastest way to get permanent residency is if you have a skill on the skill shortage list, which you can find at: www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/default.htm

    It's an amazing country, but with so many people fleeing the U.S. and Europe, they're tightening the immigration belt fast. So don't wait too long!
  • Ying
    Jana,

    Thanks for your response. I like NZ very much. One of my biggest conerns is that the average wages/incomes are quite low in NZ, and it's not easy to get a good job there. Many elite Kiwis are leaving NZ for Australia, UK, or US for better paying jobs.
  • dennis dale stevenson
    hello all--interested in investment in brasil, argentina (vinyards& farm land?), panama, costa rica and nicaragua(?), etc--have cash located in foreign for all investments.

    also interested in foreign residency, citizenship and re-nouncing my current citizenship

    dennis dale
  • LookingToLeave
    Simon,

    The biggest thing stopping me from leaving right now is my net worth. I've got a bit of money to start over in a new country, but not enough to do it twice (at least in my mind). In the mean time, at my current job, I know I can add 2-3000 US$ a month to my net worth. My planned escape date is April of 2011. I know that puts me at risk of being caught by new taxes or currency controls, but that will give me enough money to provide a safe (in my mind) cushion. I'd really hate to lose everything overseas and have to come back to America broke after a year or two.

    I am working on two web-based businesses that could start bringing in some income. Any income there would decrease what I feel I need for my cushion and would make my exit date sooner.

    If you've got ideas for those of us just barely closing in on $100k net worth (with about $35k of that in retirement accounts), I'd be more than glad to be enlightened.
  • lake
    Hi Simon,

    I would be very interested in your real estate idea. I would like to see properties that are close to fresh water, farm or close to farms or hydro ponic ventures, basic infrastructure and access to towns or cities. Please include me on any mail lists etc. Thanks for everything you are doing to help the normal Joe or Josephine.
  • mary
    I hit the "eject button" in 2006 as a young family with 2 little girls and cannot reiterate enough that your life is made up from your choices. And as far as your future goes, that means your choices NOW. Also, your dreams are meant to be your reality and it is absolutely there for the taking if you just dont mind being creative and thinking "out of the box" and living out of the box as well! We have lived in Latin America for 4 years, not working, homeschooling our kids (my 12 yo is doing college online and my 8 yo can do 8th grade math and speaks english, spanish and is working on Chinese so no "education" excuses), and teaching them how to live creatively and manifest their dreams. So you think we were RICH ($$$)- I was a nurse and my husband a construction worker! Yet we are RICH- I don't envy anyone. And we are now staging our next country to live in....and become citizens in...before they are 18 so they will have choices...which is all they know! GO FOR IT! NOW!
  • jayson
    I don't really have the time or the means to maintain a full-up second home that is 3500 miles away, but I would be interested in a modest investment that gives me an address secure place to stay for convenience and emergency. I am not interested in isolating myself (and family), so it important that basics like an international airport, mobile phone service, and internet be readily available. An it should need little maintainence and attention from me.
  • I agree, make the moves while you can. I am a boat builder in Thailand struggling to keep going...no new orders for almost a year until yesterday and hopefully another on Monday, 28' motor boats to Brisbane, Australia.
    There are difficulties dealing with immigration and in business [most company related documentation is in Thai] but making the effort is well worth it. I am 60 years, have the nearest to freedom I know of, only a little debt and a lot of life.
    Geoff Reid
    Thai Kiwi Marine Co Ltd.
  • charles lee
    hmmmmm.... I wonder when some will decide to go underground and conduct themselves like spooks and try and confound the nanny machine ever so discreetly. If your older and don't have a lot to lose, and here I don't mean money, it could be a lot of fun. You may end of doing time; but you mind say living under whats coming is doing time too. Hell it could be fun! Look at like a kinda Robin Hood thing waiting for are King Richard to rise.

    Hate to give up on our country!
  • AW
    Simon,

    On our recent trip to AUS/NZ, we located a large piece of property (SE Australia) which borders a national forest, overlooks the ocean, and is 10 minutes from town, all for less than $12,000/acre...

    Arnold
  • Jack Lardner
    I missed the infor on the banking Black Paper. Could you send it on to me?
  • RH
    Simon what you say is very true. I would like to know more about the adult adoption you had mentioned in a earlier release. Do you know more about this kind of thing that is available in South/Central American countries?

    Thanks in advance.
  • Tropical Freedom
    I last wrote this group 6 months ago advising that then was the time to hit the eject button. Now more so. I hit it one year ago moving my family to Panama City. I hit the second stage 2 months ago moving out into the interior.
    I have jumped the gun on Simon by starting a company several months ago developing a Galt's Gulch sustainable property several hours out of Panama City. After a years search I feel this mountain area/property will meet most of your concerns. I have put my money were my mouth was. It is next to an idealic town of 1,200 on a nice big river,good soil,water,roads,people and views. The town is near five rivers and a large national park with great waterfalls. Local people are friendly and the town has a growing expat community. You have to cross two large bridges, during the thirty mile trip from the main Panma highway to the town. This is Panama best keep secret area,I am reluctant to change that.
    But, I do have 13 lots surveyed, ready to go for like minded folks. There will be water/power /road to each lot. The lots are 2000-3000 meters each (1/2 to 3/4 acre) for around $15./meter. (You need a helicopter to get to the $50/acre land). The road is on one side,a very nice(year round) creek on the other,sound of falling water is in the air. River is down on the lowest lot.(more) So for around $30,000 you get your own land to Go Galt on. Home costs very low,$50/meter. Nice lunch in town is $2.00. No a/c or heat needed. Is in the 80's during the day mid 60's at night year round,low humidity. Grow your own food year round. Lots of sun and fun. The area is safe and secure.
    This is the first public news on this project. I am not advertising it but hoping the right people will show up in town. My agent is showing it to those people. I was just kidding her this morning about naming it Galt's Gulch Estates or Go Galt Haven. But to keep low key will be Vista Rio ----- -----. There is more land for phase two,three etc.
    If Simon doesn't mind ,I will leave my e-mail for you to contact me,if you are ready to go on strike. You could be the first post on this new off shore e-mail server,I just got as per Simon's advice. Some people may not want to wait to get going with his land project. There will need to be many projects around the world to handle all of us hitting the road,if you have the nerve to make the jump. As I said in my prior post "jump in the water is fine". I took my own advice. In this case the water could be out your front door. Meet you at the waterfront Rancho common area for the river raft trip next Tuesday at 10:00am.(hint it is next to the new walking bridge across the river). If you are on this list you are most likely quailified to join the strike here.
    Funny I already ran into one person from this site who just bought near town too.
    It's a sign.
    GO GALT,
    JON
    (real name)
  • Regarding traditional "lot selling" (the model of both "Gault's Gulches" by name that I know of), I often wonder what requirements that model serves, since it seems to have so many disadvantages. I wonder what you think about this item on my blog? http://rauschenbach.us/node/361.

    Maybe it is just tradition, or American's predisposition to "independent" pioneer behavior, when the inescapable reality seems closer to inter-dependence, which has economies of scale in construction, energy efficiency, centralized utilities, security, shared responsibility & maintenance, and all the other advantages of a european apartment or even intentional community or co-housing, compared to an isolated home on its lonely tract.
  • Susan
    Sounds good. So what is your email address to contact you?
  • Mark
    how do I contact you?
  • dodo
    simon,

    may i speak with you in private?
  • BW
    Wherever this was built, a development like this would be a great opportunity for those of us ready to go. It could also be a great "home base" or stopping point for those who want to explore other places later as well (although, flying around may get really painful in the future, what with bodyscanners and such).

    It would be useful to have a directory of skills which which people are willing & able to provide to this effort before-and-after construction. Then arrangements and agreements could be discussed in advance, one could get an idea of where/how they might fit in and how/whether they could potentially make a living there.

    Taking immediate action seems so urgent, but building a development like this would take some time. How much time could we possibly have before the doors & windows of opportunity close ? (visions of refugee cities with tents)
  • Yoda
    Hi Simon,

    I love reading your articles and especially the ones which offer practical advice on breaking free of the US. I was especially intrigued by the adoption angle of obtaining a second passport. Any further information you might provide on that approach would be most desired.

    Thanks so much for all you do!
  • Mimi Collins
    Simon,

    My husband and I are ready for affordable property in Panama, non-U.S. banking, and dual citizenship. My family lived in the former Canal Zone years ago, and my husband and I have spent 3-4 weeks traveling in western Panama every three or so years for the past few years. Now that we're both retired, we're ready for a Panama base, bank, and passport.

    "I’m frankly curious to know what you would like to see in a real estate development": rural 2 bed, 2 bath modest but spacious condo, low maintenance, natural light, in the mountains or on the coast. How about near a finca, with roosters and charcoal fires! ;-) Also a village with a market...well, maybe we just need to look for a little Panamanian house instead of a development! =}

    Re: an earlier concern about water, Panama has good water, power, and wireless communications everywhere. No problemo.

    Ya me voy...
    mc
  • Nate Bunger
    Hey there...Where can you find land for $50 an acre in Latin America. I am currently traveling through Peru into Bolivia and then Chile. I would love to look at some of these options while I am traveling. Thanks
  • Fallingstar Nighsky
    I',m very interested and supportive of your potential Panamanian development. Please keep me posted.

    Thanks!
  • Jim
    Simon,

    I have lived in Panama for 5 years and love it. As I am currently doing some small scale developing myself, I would be very interested in what you have in mind here, possibly even participating. One of my partners here is a Panamanian architect.

    I hope you get this off the ground.
  • $50 land is in Paraguay. A country full of opportunity, a de facto tax haven and a country with more fresh water and green energy than it knows what to do with, and likely also with oil, gas and gold reserves. Definitely one to watch.
  • kenneth
    peter

    i hope paraquay has no oil. wouldn't want to see the us southern command making an appearance, because some indigenous group has "al-qaeda" links.:-)
  • Nathaniel
    Simon,
    Why not put a team together. Some of the respondents to your post seem to have experience required. You could start in Panama and then use the same pattern to make attractive reasonably priced, self-sufficient developments in other places around the world.
  • HOGJAW
    JFD I am 66 and spent 5 weeks in Ecuador and going back in June for 3 months more .I plan on buying a property and take what little I have out of this socialistic country before it`s confiscated.THANK GOD WE HAVE A MAN LIKE SIMONE to help lead the way!!!!!
  • Eric
    Simon - thanks for all the info you share. I think any developments these days ought to be done with the principals of - "working with nature, rather than against it." I agree that Permaculture design offers a great path to take when developing - edible landscaping etc. Where's the $50. an acre land down south? Still would like to know if Christine Verone or someone else is able to help us Chinese investments. Maybe it's not a good time to invest there? Cheers
  • Megann
    When and where Simon? I am game!
  • pat erickson
    Simon:
    Sign me up. I am just finishing up a small subdivision of my own and was thinking of finding somewhere in Panama to live part-time now and full-time in the near future. My wife and I already have an online business, I have small retirement income and would pursue something else once I landed there. So, yes I am interested, let's do it.

    I also would like to thank everyone for their inspiring comments.
  • Bob Hays
    I'm interested in a Cafayete type development in Panama. But I can't see Cafayete coming to fuition soon enough, nor do I or my wife want to be so distant from a town, let alone so remote in travel time. We also don't play polo, golf, ride horses, or engage in the other upscale amusements on offer.

    Re: location in Panama, I'm not interested in starting a business, so don't really want to be so close to Panama City, given the hot and humid climate in the lowlands. Cerro Azul would be a possibility and is close, but flat ground isn't exactly abundant, and the tops sure looked wet and foggy to me. (We're not keen on shoes that grow mushrooms in the closet, for example). El Valle, outside the caldera, is another area with appeal, and is still pretty close to Panama City. But it's pretty steep ground, too. Give a thought to Volcan, which has low prices, some decent ag potential, at least for cattle, and is high and cool. Once the new shortcut linking to the David-Boquete road is open (about now, as I recall the schedule), it should have much more appeal to the expat community and lots more possibilities for expat and tourism oriented business ventures. And if Costa Rica does upgrade the airport in the south east to International, as they're supposed to be doing, Volcan and Boquete are looking a lot more conveniently accessed. The main highway upgrade now nearing completion will help all by itself, no?
  • kevin
    i, too, am interested in volcan! have you done some research that you could share?

    thanks!
  • Vestan
    Hey Simon,
    Well, your latest post "How to Avoid Living in a Police State" affected me to the point where I am writing to you in response.
    I have been a fan of your particular point of view via the newsletter and find your advice is relevent and actionable. As a Canadian, and having lived in various parts of the world, I support the idea and benefits of "planting flags"
    I believe you are onto something interesting with your idea of a Subscriber Development in Panama. I am actively seeking to further expand internationally. (hmmm...which eject button to push..)
    Preparing for the worst is one thing, creating an actual vehicle to independence is something quite different. Especially when it goes from pursuing individual self interest to the idea a joining a group project. If this is in fact what you are proposing, would there not be the risk of swapping one set of rules and regs for another?
    My concern is the overall objective. I believe that the success of such a project would require clearly defining the objective so the participants can agree and achieve the planned results. Here are a few points for consideration (in no particular order) ;

    - Degree of self reliance for the basics; water, energy, food
    - Ease of transportation / car share
    - Ease of digital communications
    - Definition of individual "freehold" ownership of units and agricultural plots
    - Quality of site location, soil, water source and construction
    - Privacy
    - Co-operative infrastucture maintenance
    - Property tax managment
    - Internal and external representation and mediation
    - Transparency of property management.
    - Qualification and disengagement.

    Or, maybe it's simply a group of condos around a well and a farm....which is also kinda cool.

    Cheers,
    V.
  • kai
    simon
    your points about diversification and expatriation are well taken but there are several devils in the details.
    when you say land can be had in central/south america for 50$ an acre, where is it? how does one go about finding it if one is not in the real estate business? how do you even find reliable people to guide you in foreign lands?
    i know for certain there are plenty of crooks out there who would be more than happy to relieve us of our money!!
    foreign real estate holdings seem to be one of the most recommended forms of diversification by people who already have access/connections. how about for people who are novices and have no connections?

    thanks
  • yakeen
    I can help for north argentina and even Cafayate (not the Estancia though), but not for 50$ an acre!
  • Phil
    Hi Simon,
    I have been reading your posts for the last 6 months and have found them extremely interesting.

    I have property in Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and work in China. I use the safety deposit box in Singapore --much more convenient than a bank since it is open 24/7 365 days a year.

    I am very interested in finding out more about the 2nd Passport.
    Looking forward to meeting you on one of your Asian trips
  • Jack
    Decided to look at Panama about 6 months ago. We are leaving U.S. for 8 day visit in about 4 weeks. We have made arrangements to spend most of the time looking at possible 2nd home options to include Panama City, Highlands and Beach areas. Your idea of a sponsored development near Panama City may be just the 'ticket'. If pulling the trigger to move could be made easier I believe you would be pleased at the response. Thanks, Jack
  • dean moyer
    Thanks Simon, We are interested in a community in Panama, Chile, Uruguay. How may I help?
  • Gary
    Simon:
    I've already hit the eject button. I'm a retired lawyer now living in China and own and operate a web business I hope and believe will continue to grow in spite of the current stupidity of the Western nations lead by the USA. You are so right that Obama's performance leads to almost only one of two conclusions - he's a Republican all dressed up as a Democrat, or dear old George was a Democrat all dressed up as a Republican. What a shame that Americans have opted to steadfastly watch "reality TV" instead of leading the world as they used to do.

    I've owned and still own property in Panama but found life there just too damned frustrating to picture it as my future home. I still have great friends there but somehow having to spend most of three days full time just to get my cable TV hooked up and my AC operating just didn't work. I like South America and love the Caribbean (sp?) but to me Asia is the only place to be so let's park your development over here somewhere, like Malaysia, the Philippines or even (Yes, believe it or not) China. Done right we can have some of the most beautiful beaches in the world for next to nothing, and even access Govt. grants to help us out.

    Keep up the great work.
  • Gracie
    Having bought land in Panama, and now wanting out, to be further from the US Police State.. I would be interested in Asia, like Gary mentions.

    Too much big $ poured into the new canal expansion, for me to be sure that Panama will be free from Big Brother. Asia at least has more people and seems easier to get lost in... anonymity.
  • "mateo"
    Simon,

    Your business development idea is a hit, I would certainly be interested in adding to my int'l portfolio. Please keep me posted. Also please have different price points and possibly private financing in place for those of us who totally agree with you but for whatever reason haven't mustered all the financial resources we could have through life mistakes.

    I've done alot of reading and researching about the second passport thing and most seem quite outrageous. I'd like to hear a chronicling of your guinea pig experience and what you learned about it maybe even in a black paper.

    Thank you for the thoughtful insights to the world you provide everyday.
  • bill huggins
    Simon,
    I would pay a good price to have all your "how to" info in one neat little package (accessible by electronic means to keep cost down and allow you to update easily and often).
    As it is now, I have to print out or pull up various issues of Sovereign Man to get my info.
    I'm ready to eject.
    BH
  • John
    Hi Simon, I'm interested in learning more about the Panama development -- even helping if needed. I have managed large projects before, including one like this, speak Spanish con fluidez, and could be vouched for by Bob O. I'll be visiting Panama again later this month since I want to learn more about job opportunities outside the U.S.

    Thanks for all you do to keep us informed and aware.

    John Sanders
  • John
    Simon, I love the idea of the development, and if you need help, I'm available. I've lived on many Caribbean Islands and so have a very good understanding of infrastructure options for power and water: Desalination, rain catching and cisterns come to mind, along with solar hot water. Wind generators, PV cells, and backup diesel power along with energy saving design techniques for the dwellings are my main offer to you. Let me know, I like your writing and would love to meet up some time for a chat over wine or coffee.
  • Phillip Ramsdell
    I am new to your site and I like it!

    At a mtg. of likminded people the other night your site was given to me. It was mentioned that you have a check writing IRA. Could you lead me to your info on that?

    Many thanks,

    Phil
  • Michael
    Simon,

    My finger has been hovering over the eject button since the Reagan 80's and has gotten increasingly twitchy since 9/11 and the peak resource problems. I have a professional-type career which earns me more $ than it would outside the US (physician), which is the only thing keeping me here. I follow your excellent letters for tips on setting up a medical tourist type clinic in either Asia or Latin America which I have begun investigating in earnest.

    Is is possible/advantageous to form a corporate structure for your development where the shareholders, board members, whatever would be able to utilize their involvement to aid in their residency/passport/citizenship pursuits?
  • Jim
    I have a lot in Casey's development in Cafayate. An emerging opportunity I think will be Ecotourism. The green movement's not gonna stop no matter what the data shows. There's an opportunity for me to become part owner in a small hotel there. The sun is a prominent feature there. Incorporating solar into it and attracting the green tourists may be an emerging opportunity.
  • g
    R/E dev. near Pan. City sounds interesting. Sooner the better. Mopsi's comments above were good.
  • norm
    re eject button.....just need more balls to push it.....
  • anon
    MAN UP!
  • funkyronster
    I'm interested in Panama. I've already ejected from UK and am traveling for a while and formulating a plan.
  • alexandra severance
    Thanks for your thought provoking articles. I'm recently retired & ready to eject. I have been exploring possibilities - just returned from Mexico, next going to Thailand. Will visit Panama & Ecuador soon. One of my main criteria is that I not be surrounded by only American expats. I need an international community. I'm very interested in your vision for real estate development in Panama particularly if it has the potential to attract many nationalities.
  • Tim
    Hi Simon and crew,
    I am currently talking with several land holders in Panama, looking to buy property mostly in the boonies. Property in Panama City is still very high so I will look there when prices come down some. The good deals are in the country.One interesting opportunity that has come available is an ocean view 85 hec (about 210 acres) land owner that wants to do a JV. I am a builder and have a new building process that I really would like to try. Talks are early but I am working on several other possibilities mostly for outright purchase. The design is scalable, can be built by teams as small as two men adaptable to any terrain, minimum impact on the environment, 200 year life, most any architectural style and relatively inexpensive $40 psf basic and up for more elaborate design and finishes. As for food and sustainability, one of the biggest dangers in Panama is fruit falling on your head and killing you. Panama is very easy place to grow almost anything. Your idea sounds interesting and the timing as you mentioned is critical. I had considered Doug's Cafayate and also Rancho Santana near San Juan Del Sur. Cafayete is a little steep for me but San Juan has a pretty interesting group around it, the surfing is great and the place rocks, so it is still a maybe. In reading some of the other post it sounds like "a working guys Galt's Gulch" might be the theme. Final comment. I have corresponded with Robert ONeill in the past and he seems very capable. Tim
  • Vertis Bream
    Hello Simon, I'm planning on coming down to Panama in the next month or two. Also, check out my old haunts in Belize where I lived in 82/83. I can weather most of what is coming in the US. But do I want to? I can become comfy pretty much wherever I hang my hat. Friends/relatives are the holdup.
    I guess people call me a survivalist. I live on a self sufficient homestead and have been helping others in this quest since 1973 worldwide; but mainly in NA & CA/Caribbean basin. I've developed a walled courtyard complex that provides security, privacy, storm proofing and a micro climate. Within these walls (1/10 - 3 acres) is a self contained fortress; intensive self sustaining food production based upon my no till/top soil growing with no ammendments; water production/filtering/storage; energy production (solar/wind/?). The recent crash in PV pricing makes this very enticing. In northern temperate climes; I use high mass annual passive solar heat/coolth storage with no added energy inputs. They can be an oasis in the desert or sited in a clearing in the bush; allowing the surroundings to be left intact or an island on an island or a floating barge or a ... You get the idea. They can be clusterd as in ancient times; but I prefer a more open pastoral/forestal surrounding. Exterior walls can be vine covered with a dry moat of thorney bush to dissuade peekers. Stateside, I like virginia creeper with colorful screening pyracantha. Anyone ever on the receiving end of one of these thorns knows the torture from hell. In the tropics we have many other choices.
    My preference for Panama, though, is the higher cooler elevations. For those interested in the outskirts of PC. I would still be happy to assist. Sorry, I don't have a website. I've been trying to remain as low profile as possible. I have been working niches all my life. I got started in the early 80s doing work outside of the US after 2 ads in "Islands" and the then new "International Living" newsletter. I haven't had the need to advertise since then. Referral, referral...
    My background is originally soil science, then agricultural, controlled atmospheric storage, landscaping, construction, alternative energy... to name a few. I'm a thinker and a doer. I believe in self responsibility.
    Despite my preference for anonymity; a google search will give some inkling into some of my pursuits. See untamedlife.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=73 for a sample. Cheers! Vertis Bream
  • Jay
    what do you think of this article, clearly recommending against Panama due to recent judgments that destroyed banking secrecy laws in Panama?

    http://www.panamalaw.org/banking_warning.html
  • Consider the source. You might want to take a look at this:

    http://www.panamaforum.com/legal-issues/30171-h...
  • Jay
    Thanks a lot. I figured as much but never found a review link like the one you posted. Drives me crazy -can't do it alone, but can't trust anybody either.I'm ready to go. I am very interested in The Panama Private Interest foundation method but need honest help. I really hope Simon does this real estate venture. I am an electrical engineer and have done project management for multi-million dollar telecomm buildings. I hope his project is meant for regular folks wanting to retire early, and not like Cafayate which is for the super rich and not like Rancho Santana which is too far from medical and infrastructure. $100,000 to $150,000 investment type thing or less, so we can use the rest to live on economically for a long time
  • Jay
    Thank you very much. I suspected as much but could not find reviews like the link you provided. How will I ever know who to trust in this venture? Drives me crazy - can't do it alone, but can't trust anyone either. I feel stuck and immobilized and yet am ready to go.
    I hope Simon follows through with a real estate venture that will lead to passports and residency, one not for the extremely rich like Doug Casey’s place in Argentina and not like Rancho Santana which too far from medical and infrastructure. One for regular folks who can retire early but only can afford a $100k to $150k investment and live very economically for a long time. I am very interested in the Panama Private Interest Foundation method too.
  • lrm
    Yea,I've been research seriously for about 5 yrs...went thru a New Zealand phase...didnt have funds at that time to begin the process...but w/my husband creds more so than mine,we would have had the points and possibly found work....
    Also explored in depth Chile,Portugal,Argentina and more recently,Dominica and surrounding Carib region,and Italy quite extensively.

    Remember,as Simon puts it,too...it's not that you are find the 'perfect free place',but you are creating multiple options,so you are never held down by only having one.

    On that note,some ppl who are not from the USA,may do well having the US as a second or third option. As Simon says in this very article,he sees opportunities for entrepreneurs in the US today. And,let's be honest,the US is still one of the best places for going into biz for yourself. Yea,there are controls and regs,but it is highly possibly,esp in places that are more rural,or withthe internet options.
    Lots of home grown locales like CO,MT less so,NH,etc.

    No,they are not perfect,but they are options. Try starting a biz in France,for example-if you are not degreed and certified in croissant baking,you're not getting the bakery license. lol. I may be exagerrating [sort of]but case in point,in the US,you can most certainly still have no degree or some random BA and still specilize in and start a company,something unrelated to the 'training'.

    So,let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    And on the subject of France,well,sure some folks are happy with that-b/c they like the laissez-faire living-and it IS good livin' for many...even looking at their territories like french carrib. food,wine,culture,beaches....i can see why their approach affords them this style of living-this 'mindset'.

    Thanks for all the comments-alot of great links and ideas,and awesome to know others are on the same page.

    I've a child and husband,and leaving is now an option,owing to death of my mother this past year (unfortunately).

    Looks like we are now on a fasttrack for this.
    And I'm so glad Simon mentioned thinking about what skills you have-b/c alot of times your situation,if you do need income,like most of us,will arise organically-you'll find yourself in the right place and the right time;and your job is to be on the look out for this.
    Not try to line up a job w/a company before you go-and have everything 'safe',but to find one or two places,and pick one,and build slowly....like the acre for $50.

    (where is that,btw? lol)
  • James Wright
    One begins with small steps, and I have, at least begun.... I am interested in your Panamanian development; I just renewed my passport, and will try to get my wife and children to soon. I'm looking forward to your banking Black paper, and hope to make moves in that direction soon as well.
    Keep up the good work; progress may be incremental, but if it's continuous improvement, well, the Japanese showed the world how well that can work. Cheers!
  • JFD
    What does a 68 year old man living alone on Social Security do?
  • yakeen
    live in Argentina, and get a beautiful young wife, he he!
    or Bolivia, but it would be just a young wife...
  • barry
    When to eject? I did. I left Spain after 10 years at the end of last year. I used to live on the Costa Del Sol and I saw the slow but gradual decline in quality of life and the growing tension and dissatisfaction amongst the locals and foreigners.

    It is stunning how quickly that region changed and many gave me the same answer when I asked: when did things start to change? About four years ago or so when Brussels ramped up the legislation machine.

    We don`t need to see troops on the street to look around and see how imprisoned people have become mentally and emotionally.

    Latin America is where I am now with plans to check out several of the most likely candidates. Any thoughts on Ecuador and Chile?

    Thank you for your excellent site.
  • Ron Harrell
    Simon,

    I really like the idea of a self supported community with privately owned infrastructure. As a realtor and small developer, I would be thrilled to
    participate.

    Most US citizens don't have a clue what is happening to their freedom. They seem to think that if it is on TV, it is true. "We are from the government and we are here to help you". WRONG!

    Please visit my site. This business opportunity can be worked from any country. It requires no license or permit. You can work it from the middle of the ocean, a jungle, or a mountaintop. It is the perfect way to fund your 5 flag lifestyle. It is a virtual business.

    Income from your efforts go to an International Financial company, placed on a debit card, and can be accessed at any ATM. You can earn a nice income AND get vouchers for free travel. PLEASE share this. We all deserve to be free.

    Thank you,

    Ron
  • angler
    can Simon or anyone else tell me where to find $50 an acre property in central and south america? I have spent almost 12 months total in the past 5 years in Panama and can't find land at that price......
  • yakeen
    5à is a bit short, unless you are the hermit type, but I can look around North Argentina for you if you tell me what you are looking for.
  • Juliana
    Yes, yes to a sustainable development outside of Panama City. We entrepreneurs without $3000/month retirement income can easily find opportunities in Panama. We do need the development to be affordable, at some cooler altitude, and attractive for families and working people - the same people who would love to live at Doug Casey's place in Argentina but do not have that kind of money. We need farming & small business activity rather than wine bars and polo clubs much as we do like wine and polo.
  • James
    Very interested in your potential Panama development and a second passport. My prime concern is a good water supply; everything else flows from that, so to speak.
  • Joe
    Hi Simon........

    I read your "How To Avoid Living In A Police State" with much interest. I agree one thousand percent with you! My country is coming apart and nobody cares enough to make the same sacrafices our forefathers did because we've had to so good for so long.

    Panama has log been my desire. Unfortunately, for me, the old addage of "it's impossible to do business with someone who has no money" is seriously true. Social Security is all I have ($700 month)

    But for those of you who do, I urge you to pay attention to what Simon says! Don't wait till it's too late! You were born free! At least make an attempt to die free without bending your knee to any man except your God.

    Remember, the worst regret you could ever have is to look back on what could have been.

    Bless you all........
  • Friend
    Very good words my friend. Sometimes it would be nice if people like us could be real neighbors and friends instead of just in the cyber world.

    Family man in same circumstances and really appreciate your statement "You were born free! At least make an attempt to die free without bending your knee to any man except your God. "
  • K
    Joe, we have heard of a guy who lives here in Panama on a $700 budget. My husband and I had diner in a place for $5/both plates. You can live for cheap. they have local insurance for us for $40/month each, no age discrimination, nor preexiting conditions crap that you see in the USA. they take you with preexisting conditions, like they took this 75 guy that we know what they dont like is tourist that come for medical care here and get just a temporary insurance, shut it off and then leave the country. I believe you can make it work. The problem, is if SS will cease to exist. My mom doesn't even think that she will get any and she is 55.
  • yakeen
    Amigo, in Argentina, and many places I've been in the world, you can live real well, believe me!
  • yakeen
    I meant, with 700U$
  • Austin marshall
    CAN YOU CARRY GOLD COINS OUT OF USA LEGAL ????
  • Stan
    Yes, but you might arouse some queries if you pass through TSA carrying 500 Maple Leafs, Krugs, Etc. The monthly Casey report did a special on this a couple of months ago.
  • Alex
    Good Day, Simon,
    Thank you for all your information every day.
    I see the need to leave our once great and free country, America. My wife will come with me to whatever country I select.
    Australia has a hard limit of 45 years old for immigrants leading to citizenship.
    New Zealand's limit is 55, so we could meet that requirement.
    My hearing is almost gone, so I need an English speaking country. The development close to Panama City sounds quite good. Could we be investors in this project, as well as customers?
    About the underwear bomber. Will the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc. improve their computer systems so every piece of information on an individual is connected to every other piece of information on the same individual? The failure to do that is connected to every attack on America so far.
    Best regards,
    Alex
  • Anne de Nada
    Hi Simon,
    I am a Canadian, does anyone know whether Canadians who have an RRSP instead of a 401(K) for retirement are able to purchase land overseas?
    Thank you.
  • Robert Evans
    Simon:
    Your idea of developing a small community near panama City is intriguing. As an architect, I would be happy to help with appropriate sustainable design concepts. I'm no Green Peacer and, unfortunately for the Copenhagen Crew, still exhale CO2, but the most important rules of designing a viable housing development for the 21st C do relate to "sustainable" features. After all, when the price of oil goes ballistic, having energy costs minimized at the design phase works well during a residence's entire life span.
    I am an investor in Cafayate, and applaud the development's goals, but believe that it will take 6-10 years before its fruition. Unfortunately, it is a long long way from the USA (or anywhere else). Fortunately, it is so far from reality, that when the scoop hits the poop, it will be out of harm's way. Something to think about before the US and Chinese navies square off in the Panama Canal.
    Brooklyn Bob
  • william whipple
    i am interested in ghana. it is my understanding that ghana is the freest country in africa and labor and real estate are still cheap. what can you tell me about ghana>??
  • Land in Uruguay, now that would be a great deal to buy some of that. Hopefully near infrastructure.
  • Daisy
    Hi Simon, I am SO ready to hit the eject button. I'm an American who will become a first time mom in May. Is there anywhere I can go now to have my baby that will give him/her dual citizenship and that will pave the way for me? The father is also American but not in the picture. Thanks!
  • The good news is that nearly every country in the Americas offers citizenship by birth. Canada could be a good option, but might be a little close to home for Americans and more likely to adopt the worst of the US. I would go for one of the Latin American countries that has a territorial tax system, for example Uruguay. It has the additional advantage of Mercosur membership. This is literally a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for son/daughter that should not be missed.
  • lrm
    Daisy;
    Do a search on Simon's forums for 'kids' and you will find his article-i just read it the other day-about giving your kid a second passport and having him set for life in that way-with second citizenship.

    Not sure I'd want to give birth in most of the place he mentioned,but you can research it further. I believe he mentioned places such as brasil,dominica,paraguay and pakistan (yea yea) for starters,as locales where your child automatically has second citizenship,just for being born there.

    Alot of countries has ended this,including ireland and i think canada,which would have been good choices,IMO.

    Just do the research-b/c alto of countries are still in a 1950's mindset,with automatic c-sections,taking baby from mom,etc. There are always pockets.
    Also,do a google search-I have found forums where ppl discuss giving birth in another country,from europe to singapore and everywhere in between...I think expat forums is one that has alot of posts/info.

    Best of luck to you with both aspects of this equation-moving and giving birth.
  • Guber
    Yes, yes! Write these papers for us!
  • Jason
    I agree with George. Panama City is way too hot/humid for my taste. A development in a Boquete-type environment would be magnificent!!
  • Clarity2009
    Things may be getting worse faster than we realize:
    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100108/D9D3HB...
  • lrm
    Yes,this has been around for awhile now...ppl find out about it in waves...and then a new sense of paranoia often arises,thinking 'this time it's really the worst'.
    Truth is,we are already scanned,tracked and monitored,largely b/c we organize our own lives in this way. We make it easy for them-
    Sure,it will gradually become more invasive. You are right.

    I always wonder if a charter plane company would be a viable option-but you know,then there are the feds controlling the airport regs.

    Yea,and I love that Nigeria is now getting scanner machines.
    Food and medical care are really not so important. Of course,I'm sure the equipment has been donated to them.
    And,it's just waaaaaaaaaaay too convenient that the latest 'would be bo*mber' is from Nigeria. Hmmm....good excuse to now get further involved in Africa,not just behind the scenes and pulling the economic strings,but out right,w/public support. For anyone who does not realize that this was purposefully planned,it is not hard to read the trail left behind and watch the future events unfold...after which is becomes crystal clear. Not that it should matter,I mean,Iraq happened after 9/11 and many ppl still think that was related to Iraq directly. [obv all interrelated]...so you know,somehow we will relate nigeria and this incident to,oh,i don't know-how 'bout China?

    Sure. Sounds good. If it keeps us safe. (please read sarcasm here)
  • Ricardo
    Hi Simon. Im interested in the 2nd citizenship. I'm cuban, with residency in the US, not a US citizen. My wife and 2yr old daughter are american. What is available, including Panama? And by "if you have the means" what do you mean? Hundred thousand? Less, more? Let me know
    sincerely
    R
  • Willard
    Why not do a development like Doug Caseys or do a JV with him @ his
    site in Argentina. I think the other things you are proposing are very important,also.
  • yakeen
    I am a neighbour of Casey's "La estancia de Cafayate" :pretty nice for the wealthy ones! For those who are not that rich, I may be able to help. French, I ve been living here for 5 years and know quite a bit, I can look for land, I might even sell my place! Anything you need, Simon included, do not hesitate.
    yakeen
  • KenshoSeeker
    Sounds very interesting. Please contact me too.
  • Jim
    Hi Yakeen, Jim Lord from Texas here. New prospect for my land sale. Hoping something will happen. Besos, Jim
  • Pery
    Yakeen,

    I would be interested in more info. Please contact me. I visited Argentina in the 90's and was ready to move there by the end of my trip.
  • J W
    Simon,
    Getting out of town is all well and good for those with the resources to make the move. But what about those of us who have no money, no job, and are watching this downfall but can't do anything to get away. I would love to move abroad someplace.

    I don't even have the money to get my passport!

    What advice can you give us, your fans at the bottom of the economic ladder?
  • lrm
    Don't panic. I'm not Simon,nor do I know what he would recommend. But I would say: remember there are storms,and sometimes you ride them out and have a bit of trust in yourself in that regard.

    Perhaps there is a better timing and option for you,that if you had the money now,you would flee,in a 'fleeing' mindset-which is not usually the best state to be in when making major life changes and decisions.

    I myself have been wanting seriously out for at least 4 yrs solid. But I too did not have money for a passport for mysefl and my family,etc. Gradually,I began to implement-first,i just spent hours researching places that i was interested in [see my other post here],which is really helpful,b/c you have your eyes open when you read enough forums of people's different experiences and obstacles and solutions in said country. Then,I got passports for myself and son first,then my husband. Geesh,i got the passport 2 yrs agoa,nd still am in country. And I am someone who spent the better part of the decade out of the country in the late 80's and early 90's...and here i was w/no passport and no means to even take a vacation abroad,let alone move!

    Okay,so now,I am nearing a position where I can actually take some action in a more tangible way. But honestly,if i'd had the means 4 yrs ago,i dont think i would have mad ethe best choice for myself and family,owing to what i've learned now,with spending the time investigating and not being impulsive. (yea,one can over think things,but one can also be too impulsive,too.)

    Also,*everyone* was saying 4 yrs ago,and in fact during the bush regime,'now is the time to get out' 'get out while you can'....

    But,as we can see,this process was intended to be gradual,so that ppl truly believe it is in their best interests,and ppl start to believe the hype and trust blindly. 'A willing prison',as it were. A place where ppl think they are free but are anything but. Hah! That's the easiest for governments,b/c there is no resistance,and people pay the government to do it for them.

    Anyway,my point it,things have gotten gradually worse in some regards,and slightly better in others,in those 4 yrs and in the last 8. I mean,security on planes loosened up for a bit,ppl relaxed a little,etc. Until now-but dont let the current storm make you think you are missing out on your only chance to get out.

    Also,I dont know your situation at all,but any way you can start doing small odd jobs or even working retail or??? that can let you get enough cash for a passport,and spending time on the internet or visiting local monthly groups for say,italians abroad or 'people expatriating to panama' will give you impetus and networking to help your situation change.

    You can even learn a language for free,on the internet or via public library materials. (yea,c'mon ppl,we still have libraries that are free and largely well stocked in comparison to so many places on the planet. travel rural africa or asia...again,focus also on what you do have at the moment,and not on running away from what you dont want or dont like;it's a better state of mind from which to make a decision-ie,i've got $50,rather than 'I don't have a million dollars'.)
    Anyway,learning a second language,if you are interested in one,or in a particular country that does not have english as it's first language,is also an excellent way to prepare for the future. and it's completely free. plus it takes your mind off the situation for a minute,which helps. I'm sure simon does not go round and round 24/7 in circles with what he cannot do-he drinks his wine,looks at the ocean and thinks about what he can do,today,and builds from there.
    From there,a language meet up group is an option-and then you network with both US folks and those from other countries....

    anyway,those are my 8 cents.
    Sincerely good luck to all in making the best choice for them!
    Adios!
  • anon
    lrm, interesting experiences, though I'm not sure what you're saying. Yes there are clearly multiple opportunities to 'get out'. Today is not the last day of the great American bake sale. Those opportunities to leave're called "today", "tomorrow", "the next day", "the day after that", etc.

    The point is that the trend is is down. How bad does it need to get in order for people to do something aboutti it? Are we so enslaved to our cubicles and health plans that we're too scared to take a risk? At what point is it clearly riskier to stay? Probably when it's too late, just ask the Jews in the late 1930"s.
  • lrm
    Remember,ppl: Fail to plan,and plan to fail.
    There's that Chinese saying,too,about a one hundred year plan.
    Just an option! I'm all for spontaneous,over night success,too!
  • andrew
    For those of you even considering the most controlled border state in the world, yes the UAE read "Escape From Dubai" by Herve Jaubert just published 2009. The UAE can be on of the very best countries in the world, but as those of us that fled in this way it can be the very worst :) go in but have your eyes open.
  • Robert McGee
    If you plan to build a community in or near Panama City with some sort of food growing options for retirees with $3000/mo pension income count me in.
  • Colle Davis
    Dear Sir:

    In your column this morning you stated that you were asking for comments on a self sustaining real estate development in Panama. To this end you may be very interested in our Portable Farms(TM) Aquaponics Systems as the basis for your food production. They can be scaled to any size requirements depending on the market and demand.


    Personally my wife and I are very close to hitting the eject button and have Panama near the top of our list as a landing zone. We are looking both to expand our business world wide and to bring on investors to help us expand our business.


    Sincerely,
    Colle Davis
    Inventor, CEO Portable Farms, Inc
    858-750-2176
  • lrm
    Colle Davis;
    so,are you in san diego then (858)? we are,as well.
    are you doing any local seminars?
    although much of the info is on the internet these days,i know...just mentioning in case you want to get your word out there for your business...[i personally am not interested in panama,but i can see many others are...] got a website yet? if so,please post link. Thanks! (:
  • Joshua
    The location out-of-country that I require is pretty simple:
    1) Water source (on site only.. no city/trucks)
    2) Food source (this can be local farmers, or the project's own farm)
    3) Pretty
    4) Low cost of living
    5) 'Distant' government
    6) Other english speakers around

    As I have a family I'm still 'here' until we can't be anymore (and I hope that it doesn't really come to that for more than a couple months anyway). The wife thinks being 'prepared' is good, but isn't willing to move the family quite yet. I think that unfortunately for may families their situation may be similar. Between the family and work they just never get things handled... and it really will be a storm-trooper-in-the-street situation before they decide to go.

    We have set a hard deadline this year to have business activity outside and a couple months worth of funds stored outside the US. It's not much, but it's more than most folks, and hopefully get us more comfortable with doing 'these types of things'.

    Thank you for all you do. Your free (and paid) content is top notch. I'm grateful for the encouragement you provide.

    Joshua
  • Anonymous
    how about a combined, lowest cost possible, real estate investment leading to citizenship?
  • Marat
    Definitely an interesting idea regarding a subscribers development in Panama. I would be for it depending on terms of course. Cheers
  • gary
    I second the motion. Panama intrigues me the most of any S. American
    nation.
  • Göran
    Your Panama idea would probably be a sucsess.
  • For a new development, I would start with a Permaculture consultant. They are cheap and efficient, and do little more than tell you where to bulldoze a swale through the property, which is nothing more than a low point that attracts water year round. Fruit trees get planted along it, and a sump box gets set at the end of the low point, which could be developed into a spring house if one wanted to harvest ones own water, whatever runs off after the emergency food supply gets watered.

    Then I would build apartments in the shape of a rectangle. The inner courtyard would be secure, and walled-in so that the kids can play without getting hit by a car, and so that the kitchen gardens don't get overrun by petty vandals.

    This design pattern is an ancient one, and is particularly well suited to security, defense, beauty, and having a "low profile" (the advantages of a fort, but the looks of a mere european condo unit from the outside, that would not stand out anywhere).
  • David
    Simon,

    I plan on being in Panama City Jan.18 -Jan 22/2010 looking at real estate. Do you have a contact in P/C that I might talk with about your idea for farm land there? I'm a dirt farmer with a little money.
  • adam
    i would be very interested in being involved in some type of latin american real estate development. i currently own on a caribbean island, but its home country is european, so no better really than the US.
    It would be great if the infrastructure was somewhat in place but basically self sufficient, i would go to panama. any thoughts about costa rica.
  • michael
    thank you.
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