Interview: How to Expatriate

by Simon Black · 7 comments

August 25, 2010
Paris, France

It may be a bit ironic that I’m discussing expatriation today from Paris; this city was widely known as the world’s cultural capital for much of the 20th century, and it attracted a large number of intellectual giants who lived here as expats.

Gertrude Stein coined the term “lost generation” to define this group of expats who moved to Paris, most of them at the end of World War I. Many turned out to be incredibly famous– Hemingway, T.S. Eliot, Steinbeck, F. Scott Fitzgerald, etc., and their time as expats left a profound impact on literature.

Most of the expats were disillusioned by the Great War and felt alienated by the sheepish cultures in their home countries. Paris became the gathering place of their phyle– their group that was based on intellectual and philosophical commonality, not accidents of birth like skin color or national origin.

For this reason, I really respect their movement… and frankly, I expect a similar movement to emerge over the next several years as the disillusioned masses with portable financial and intellectual capital seek greener pastures overseas.

Many people may choose to punctuate this step by renouncing their primary citizenship… either as a political/philosophical statement, or simply to save money on taxes.

I’ve discussed this topic before, but I recognize that there are a lot of misconceptions on the subject, so I thought I would go right to the source and conduct an interview with Mark Nestmann.

(you can right click/’Save As’ the mp3 file to your computer/iPod as well).

Mark is a renowned asset protection lawyer, and part of his business is taking US citizens through the renunciation process. I’ve sat down with him today for a short 25 minute interview in which he discusses the ‘how-to’– why someone would want to do this, what are the benefits, and what are the consequences.

I guarantee that you’ll be surprised by his comments, it’s definitely worth your time to listen.

Afterwards, if you want to learn more, I’d encourage you to check out Mark’s book, The Billionaire’s Loophole, which you can find on his website. At $25, it’s incredibly inexpensive considering the first hand, valuable information that he provides, and I know of no greater authority on the subject.

To be clear, this subject (and Mark’s book) are not just for US citizens, so regardless of where you’re from, I think you’ll find the information valuable. Mark’s book, in fact, goes into specific detail about renunciation regimes in other countries.

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  • leeinmontana

    Can I relinquish U.S. citizenship and become a Citizen — not resident — of a state? If so, how?

  • Jon

    Great content Simon. I plan to get Mark's book. I have been researching the exit tax for US expats. I was assuming that the expat tax rate (30%?) applied to all assets including after tax $USD. Now, I am in doubt. It appears the tax only applies to unrealized gains (with certain threshholds). For example, if one currently has an after tax net worth in cash of $X million and no unrealized gains, none of the $X milloin would be subject to the exit tax since there are no unrealized gains; nothing to sell to force a realized gain. IOW, one could expatriate from the US and take his after tax net worth of $X million with him in tact. Is that correct?

  • Linda

    Great interview man! I am wondering why others have not lit up these comment boards. Should I have others needing this info I know where to send them to.

    Ever considered creating a good list of resources provided both by yourself and fellow readers…..like Nestmans stuff and so many others sprinkled throughout your daily emails. If you are an infopreneur you might as well go all the way:-)….and make some mulas too.

  • Wickwire

    If you relinquish your citizenship, are you no longer allowed to have a Concealed Handgun License(CHL) or even own a firearm in the US? I guess you're done voting too, although, given the choices we're usually 'allowed' to have, that's not a very big loss. Losing the right to bear arms would hurt though.

  • Chris

    “For this reason, I really respect their movement… and frankly, I expect a similar movement to emerge over the next several years as the…”

    Don't look now, but that movement has already started and is well under way. They are quiet about what they are doing, but there is good communication within that little world, as it were, and they swap information and tips when they can. They are quietly collecting second and third passports, and have been for some time now, developing contacts far and wide, spreading their investments carefully and in general getting on with it. Still, it is yet a relatively small band of voyagers.

  • Dave

    I heard there's a form you must file with your US banks after relinquishing citizenship in order to notify them of your non-citizen status. Is that true and if so, which form is it?

  • Roshe!

    Great content Simon.I now share your dialy newsletter with all my friends on FB and twitter by reposting them.

    I'm your follower and believe in your ideas.

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