Questions: all about second passports

by Simon Black · View Comments

July 9, 2010
London, England

Today’s letter is a bit early– I’m running out soon to meet up with several subscribers at the Clarendon lounge in Notting Hill. Feel free to drop by if you’re in the area tonight between 6pm and 7pm.

On to this week’s questions, which are ironically all about citizenship:

Reader Antagau comments, “Simon, I am a South Korean citizen living in the U.S. as a permanent resident (green card). I am qualified to become a US Citizen and was considering doing so. After discovering your website and others, now I am not so sure. What are the pluses and minuses of my options?”

A US passport used to be the holy grail of citizenship and envy of the world. Now, this is not the case. I believe the most valuable passport in the world now is Singapore, but there are dozens of others that are also great options.

The most important question to answer when looking for a second passport is, “will I be better off with this document?” As a South Korean citizen, you already enjoy excellent visa-free travel around the world… South Korea is even on the US visa waiver program.

As such, I don’t think that obtaining a US passport will be of much benefit for you, travel-wise.

In terms of rights and privileges, as a permanent resident you already have nearly the same liberties as a US citizen. Aside from voting and a few other exceptions, you’re nearly one and the same.

The major difference is that you can always walk away from US residency, and hence the US tax net. Raising your right hand and taking the oath of citizenship signs you up for painful worldwide taxation, and undoing this can be costly.

Consider these issues when making your final decision– as a South Korean resident in the US, will you be better off with a US passport? I don’t think so.

Next, Larry asks, “Simon, by giving up US citizenship, do I lose the right to enter the country?”

No. This is a common misconception about renunciation; if you give up your US citizenship, you’re treated just like any other foreigner. If you already have a passport from a country like New Zealand or Germany, you’ll be on the visa waiver program and can enter/exit the US without applying for a visa.

If you have a passport from another country (Ecuador, Dominica, etc.), then you’ll have to apply for a visa at the nearest US consulate. This is much less problematic than you would imagine; US consulate officials are trying to keep foreigners out who will try to stay and reside in the United States illegally.

Clearly, as a former American who has renounced citizenship, you would not be someone wanting to stay in the US for the long-term… so unless you’re on a terrorist watch list or have a bad criminal record, you wouldn’t have any problems obtaining a visa.

Lastly, Todd asks, “Simon, I’m an American living in Spain. My Brazilian wife is on track to get Spanish citizenship within one year. I am beginning to wonder if the extreme hassles we are enduring here to acquire citizenship in the end will be worth it– where do you see Spain in 5, 10, 20 years?”

First, if your wife is Brazilian, you should already be standing in line at the consulate to obtain your own Brazilian passport… that will soon be one of the world’s more valuable travel documents.

Second, Spanish citizenship takes a long time to acquire… so if you have already invested the time and effort into residency, you might as well go ahead and finish the process. Spain will definitely drop out of the eurozone within a few years, but I’m sure that the EU and borderless schengen area within Europe will likely persist in the long-term.

As such, it’s probably worthwhile to continue with your Spanish citizenship track as long as you have the Brazilian passport as well to fall back on.

Incidentally, for anyone who is looking for an EU passport but doesn’t want to spend a decade treading water in Spain, Italy, or France, I would suggest looking into Belgium. More on that in future letters.

Have a great weekend.

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  • Jeff
    I hit the ancestral jackpot and just obtained my Dutch passport (now a dual citizen with US). One of the many benefits is that I can now live/work anywhere within the EU (currently 27 countries). My question is... what happens to the value of my Dutch passport when the EU breaks apart? Will I be relegated to living/working only in the Netherlands?
  • Beau
    Hi Jeff. I just wanted to congratulate you on your Dutch passport. Congratulations! I don't think that the EU will break apart any time soon. I think that The Trilateral Commission, established in 1973, wants 3 economic regions, then a single global currency and economy. I think that the EU is here to stay for some time. Jeff, these are just my opinions, and opinions are like elbows, everyone has two, and I don't know your background, but if I was in your shoes, I might consider taking out loans for dental or medical school, and learning another language or two, and then leaving the USA and moving to Europe. At any rate, congratulations again and best of luck.

    From Wikipedia:
    "The Netherlands has the 16th largest economy in the world, and ranks 7th in GDP (nominal) per capita. Between 1998 and 2000 annual economic growth (GDP) averaged nearly 4%, well above the European average. Growth slowed considerably from 2001 to 2005 with the global economic slowdown, but accelerated to 4.1% in the third quarter of 2007."

    From Simon:
    "The real irony is that breaking apart the eurozone is a popular idea in Europe, so you can be sure that the dissolution is inevitable.

    If the relatively healthier economies in Europe actually did break away– Germany, Luxembourg, Slovakia (yes I’m serious), Netherlands, Austria, Belgium– the resulting economic union would certainly be among the healthiest, most balanced in the western world.

    In other words, today’s euro would become worthless, but the future euro would be quite valuable and respected by investors. The major issue is whether the new currency would be large enough to challenge the dollar’s dominance. We won’t know the answer until they piece the deal together."

    http://www.sovereignman.com/expat/questions-a-multiple-flags-overview-no-more-euro-a-no-brainer-italians-in-panama/
  • Newbee
    Can one keep their US citizenship and have dual citizenship in another country without having any ancestry roots in the non US country?
  • Guestperson
    Yes. Even if you naturalize in anoter country you are not deemed to have intentionally renounced us citizenship by doing so.
  • Tahoenancy
    Hi Simon, thanks for your information. My husband is researching his Italian roots, but needs help to find birth certificates in Italy. Can you recommend someone who specializes in this jurisdiction? Thanks so much.
  • Seth
    Hello Simon

    Great many insights and cannot thank you enough. Anticipation is killing me as I am waiting for your thoughts in planting a flag in Belgium.
  • Snowbell
    I am an American citizen living in Germany. My tax situation recently changed so I am now thinking about other passport options. My parents were German. Germany is certainly not a tax haven, but it is where my entire extended family lives so I feel at home here. Due to looming double taxation I am now considering getting a German passport and renouncing my American citizenship. However, I am concerned about investment possibilities should I decide to do so. I am familiar with the American system but not very well with the German/European system. Would I still be able to invest with American brokerages?

    I will consult my accountant but would also appreciate advice from this corner.

    Thank you kindly!
  • Nick
    Yes, you can still invest with most US brokerages. Check with the brokerage you are interested in using. I know E-Trade and TD-Ameritrade accept foreign accounts. You will have to file a tax return (1040NR) for some of the income from the account e.g. dividends from US corporations because some US-source income will still be taxable in the US.
  • rbs
    I am an American married to a Brazilian for over 14 years. For me to get a permanent residency visa (visto permanete), my wife and I need to bring the required documents and money to the embassy or consulate and my visa will be issued there. That could happen on the spot, certainly within a week. Because of the length of our marriage (>5 years), this is possible without the long wait for the documents sent for processing in Brasilia.

    Brazilian citizenship would become available in these circumstances in a year's time.

    I understand that Brazilian communities in the USA is dwindling as people are returning home. This is also true of many other ethnic groups; if they still have or can regain their original citizenship, some of these people are leaving America. Most of them are not wealthy.

    On what grounds do you feel that Brazilian passports will become valuable? Brazilians are still visa-free for travel to Schengen countries, but American passports still have perks if one wants to set up business or work in Europe.

    I once read that Brazilians can obtain Portuguese citizenship easier than other third-country (non-EU/Schengen) nationals. Can you confirm this?
  • Jai
    Which is the cheapest, fastest way to obtain a second passport? Dominica costs about $100,000. As someone mentions here, Brazil is $150,000. Spain, France, et al, take many years of residency and their cost of living - and taxes! - are high. Any way to obtain citizenship, passport with neither big investment nor long wait?
  • Kpn5000
    Marry someone from the country from which you wish to acquire citizenship. Just make sure you're really in love!
  • rbs
    I would recommend it. In fact, after 20 + years, I had the last straw and made it my policy not to involve myself with American women, and that included long-time residents and naturalized citizens. Shortly thereafter, I met my wife, who was literally fresh off the boat.

    She had her experiences in the States and vowed never to return; however, some friends persuaded her to travel there one more time.
  • Vive_lempereur
    Doesn't always work that way. Some countries don't permit outsiders becoming citizens (Japan and Philippines). Residency may the best to hope for.
  • el
    Do the new US passport have the REAL ID chip in it? The Real ID chip gives me pause...Also are the body scans now being used in all major airports in the world?
    Thank you.
  • Jai
    There are RFID-blocker passport covers. Travelon makes a plain black leather one. Look for it online, overstock.com and elsewhere, or at Bed Bath & Beyond. There are probably other makers as well in various price ranges starting under $20.

    At least it keeps ID theft rings with scanners at bay.
  • Ted
    Simon, what are your thoughts on Honorary Consulships? My information currently indicates you get a diplomatic passport and therefore visa-free travel. Aside from the privileges you get, you are locked in the host country. Is that a good trade off?
  • Who is John Galt?
    Even an 'honorary' posting requires official approval and visas involving the sending and receiving countries. A fair amount of information needs to be provided to the receiving country too (like the reason for the trip). At the end of the day no government wants bogus diplomats going around and causing trouble.
  • Boris V.
    Another negative side of not having American passport (but having green card instead) which Simon didn't mention is that some jobs are only available to American citizens. If you don't ever work for likes of GenDyn or Ratheon you shouldn't worry, though.
  • Simon, I was born in the the US (still living here) but I have dual citizenship in Switzerland through my father. Where does Switzerland rank across all classes (real estate, banking, taxes, etc), also where does the Swiss passport rank as far as ease of travel. Thanks.
  • Nick
    The Swiss passport is one of the best in the world. As far as I know, no other passport is better.
    Banking: most Swiss banks will not accept you as a client if you are a US citizen or US permanent resident. It's just too much hassle for them.
    You pay taxes in Switzerland if you live there. The tax rate depends on which canton you live in.
    Swiss real estate is extremely expensive.
  • Giselle
    Thanks for answering those interesting questions! I am very interested in applying for Brazilian residency so I can be on the path to apply for citizenship. But I am still a full time university student, so I have time on my side. I know you have to wait about 2-3 years to apply for citizenship once you have residency. However, when I was researching the guidelines to even be eligible to apply for residency, you either have to have $150,000 to invest, retirees, a Brazilian child or spouse, or a family reunion. So what's your advice, Simon? Or other readers? Should I try and save up $150,000 or maybe I can even try to apply for residency as a TEFL teacher or should I attain a visa first which is good for 5 years, and maybe then apply for residency? Or should I try buying a small house, and is the real estate supposed to be valued at at least $150,000? THANKS! =)
  • rbs
    Brazilian citizenship for spouses is available after one year. So I suggest that you find a way to meet Brazilians and marry one...of course you need to be careful and use your good judgment in this regard.

    If you are that interested in Brazil, then I advise you to meet and hang out with Brazilians, make friends, use LinkedIn, all that stuff. Learn Portuguese; if you have experience with another Western Romance language, Portuguese will be easy to figure out with work and experience.
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