Questions: Mubarak’s out, Gold in Panama… and am I nuts?

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February 11, 2011
Temuco, Chile

I’m spending a long weekend in the beautiful city of Temuco, located in Araucania, Chile’s southern lakes and volcanoes region. The further south you go in this country, the more the climate and geography changes from desert and semi-arid to something that looks like New Zealand’s south island.

Temuco looks a bit like Washington state or British Columbia– mountains, forests, and lush greens. I’m researching some real estate deals here before hopping on a plane for Panama next week for our first-ever Sovereign Man offshore workshop.

I’ll tell you more about Temuco on Monday– first, this week’s questions:

To start us off, Jim asks, “Simon, I’m attending the workshop in Panama and I have gold (200 oz’s in total) I would like to store outside the US. I would really like to know if it is legal to carry gold into Panama, can you help?”

It’s perfectly legal to bring gold into Panama… however Panama considers gold coins to be merchandise. As such, gold coins need to be declared at Panamanian customs if the market value (not face value) is above $2,000. You may end up having to pay 7% tax.

Because of this, I think there are much better places to store gold outside of the United States– Switzerland, Austria, Hong Kong, and Dubai to name a few.

Next, Julian in Germany asks, “Simon, if I hire a local registered agent to open a corporate bank account on my behalf, will I have any certainty that such service provider will not keep any back door open to access my bank account?”

That’s a great question. Often, forming a corporation overseas requires relying on lawyers and registered agents to incorporate the entity and open a bank account. Among the important things to understand are the requirements for directors.

Directors have legal authority over a company and it bank accounts. Each jurisdiction has specific requirements for directors– how many are required, of what nationality, etc.

For example, Panama requires a board of at least three directors, each of whom must be a natural person (as opposed to a corporation). This means that if you intend to own a company by yourself, you will need to pay annual fees to at least two strangers (your lawyers) to act as nominee directors.

Furthermore, Panama maintains a public registry of all corporations, and the names of each director are listed. This makes both control and anonymity difficult in Panama.

Conversely, in other jurisdictions, only one director may be required, and that director can be a legal entity which you control.

This makes it much easier to maintain complete control over the company, its bank accounts, and your privacy. I’ll be discussing this more soon at the workshop next week, and in an upcoming edition of Sovereign Man: Confidential.

Next, in response to yesterday’s letter, reader Eric T. chides me– “Simon are you nuts? Belize is no longer a safe banking haven. They will do whatever the USA wants. They have no choice.”

Cute. To be honest, I don’t particularly care for Belize as a banking jurisdiction, but I’m willing to make an exception for Caye Bank. Why? Because I know the owners quite well– they are freedom-loving, libertarian-minded gringos who run a very conservative balance sheet.

Caye Bank is a reasonable place to establish a small account just to have a financial toehold outside of your home country, though it is by no means the -only- option… just one idea. Many options exist in better jurisdictions.

Last, Alexandra asks, “Simon, what do you make of this Egypt soap opera? Mubarak is such an ass… he’s in, he’s out, he’s in, he’s out….”

Ha. Well, as I have just received a flurry of emails and text messages from some friends in the area, I see that he seems to be unofficially ‘out’. We’ll see if it lasts.

I suggested early last month that this would be the year for Mubarak and other aging autocrats to finally croak or get kicked out. I really admire Egyptians’ dedication vacating this thug from office… but at the end of the day, they are only going to trade one crook for another.

These protests are underpinned by the erroneous belief that government is capable of providing solutions, and if they can just get the ‘right’ government in place, things will start ginning.

This is the same attitude around the world– it’s all about getting the ‘right’ people into office, whether by ‘free and fair’ election, by protest, or by force.

What people just about always find out a few years later is that the new guy is just as bad as the old guy… and that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

There’s right and wrong in this world… and standing against Mubarak is clearly right. But we all have a finite about of time, energy, and financial means at our disposal, and directing those resources towards political change, while just, generates a very low return and comes at a steep opportunity cost.

I would argue that resources are better spent solving problems at the individual and community level, not trying to get one set of criminals to relinquish control to another set of criminals.

Have a great weekend, more soon.

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  • http://moneycrisisgameplan.com/the-elevation-group/the-elevation-group-from-mike-dillard-goes-live-on-feb-9th-2011/ EVG

    I learn something new with every post, so thank you!

    This truth really hit home, “the new guy is just as bad as the old guy… and that the more things change, the more they stay the same”

    If more people took personal responsibility for their wealth, their protection and their freedom… the condition in their country would improve from their collective actions.

  • rsb

    First, love the blog / site and am a subscriber. However, today, I feel one of your points is incorrect.

    “There’s right and wrong in this world… and standing against Mubarak is clearly right. But we all have a finite about of time, energy, and financial means at our disposal, and directing those resources towards political change, while just, generates a very low return and comes at a steep opportunity cost.”

    I think you are biased on this point. YOUR opportunity cost is likely quite high, and (obviously), the return to you was much higher to simply leave the country than to engage your government to affect change.

    However, to some one living on $2 a day (40% of Egyptians), the opportunity cost of spending 18 days protesting for the potential to reshape government / financial systems is much, much lower and the potential return much, much higher. A future making $3 a day? $4 a day? Even $2.5 a day? (Plus, they can’t easily leave the country for greener pastures). You’re point about just replacing with another crook may very well be true, but I would argue that the opportunity cost is still low enough and the potential return still high enough that it is (again, obviously, because they are doing it) worth the risk.

    Like you say, the opportunity cost is too high and potential returns to low for some people. Like the “average” American making $36k a year who is “fed up” with their government / financial system. But for the people in countries like Tunisia and Egypt, this is (obviously) not true.

    I do really like your emphasis on spending time on individual and community efforts… and who knows? Perhaps one day the opportunity cost will be low enough and the potential returns high enough for citizens of developed democracies to affect change in their countries, too.

  • PsBoyce

    I agree 100% on the comments about Caye Bank in San Jose on Ambergris Caye, Belize. They are also awesome people to deal with in general. Very helpful people and institution. Well worth walking up that flight of stairs. I also recommend staying away from ScotiaBank, but i doubt many will have the patience it takes to deal with them anyhow.

  • Vicky

    Hi Simon!
    I am posting my question here because in the newsletter, you wrote that you read all comments personnally. I am a young canadian lady who had no idea about her father identity… until today. I have 2 chances out of 3 to have another nationality, according to my mother. My father would be from Canada, Lebanon or Turkey. According to the law, if my father recognises me as his daughter and he is a foreigner, I have the right to call the lebanese or turkish embassy to have the full nationality and the passport. What do you think of these nationalities? If my father is a foreigner, would I have an advantage to take these nationalities?

    Thank you :)
    Vicky

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Thomas/100001551856486 Eric Thomas

    Nothing wrong with a difference of opinion. Unfortunately the bank you mention is not the problem. The Central Banking Authority in Belize is the problem.

    I agree with you most of the time. Just not on this.

    Inquiring minds want to know…Do you bank at Caye Bank?

    Well do you? ;)

    I get incredible value from your website and SMC subscription site.

    I think your response was cute, too.

  • Elai

    Would HSBC be good bank to use for another account that is somewhere other than where you are? Could you open an HSBC account locally and then open several other HSBC accounts elsewhere?

    • Veritabeltruth

      research the archives-this has been discussed sometime in the last year plus;i forget the details. but short answer is yes, you can open it locally and have it based overseas-ie, hong kong.

  • instl

    Simon, what other jurisdictions are you feeling good about?

  • Brian

    Re: foreign bank accounts and Belize – can you please share other sources and options, as I would like to do this. thanks.

    • simonblack

      Brian, this is Simon's assistant. We're preparing a kit to help with establishing foreign bank accounts. More info in a few weeks. Cheers.

  • Jimslag

    Hello Simon, I just read that Chile experienced another earthquake around the same place as the 7.0 but this was only 5.2. Since your last post I saw was from Temuco, which is just south of Concepcion, did you see any problems? I know Chile is better prepared than most for such an occurance, I was just wondering if you were affected…jimslag

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_T6UOVVRSE3ADSJCKXAF7QODDHQ Mica Levis

    The opportunity cost is too high and the low yield potential in some people. As the year the average American who makes $ 36ka who is tired of the financial system of government. But for people in countries such as Tunisia and Egypt, this is not true.

    buy gold bar

  • Cote

    the drama in Egypt reminds me of the lessons we all have learned or yet to learn from the Bible. it seems as if the Bible is playing itself out. wait, it is.

  • Sam

    I'm a new subscriber. Can you provide information about next week's Panama trip. Tx.

  • Expat

    What's wrong with good old Swiss numbered accounts? Yanks should not bother, like losers who use this pathetic “service”

  • Rob

    If you are as rich and important as you make it seem to be, why are you providing these insights and secrets out to all of us?

    Also, in your network infiltrations, how do you avoid conmen and how do you trust working with local people in emerging markets where you can easily get scammed / have little legal protection / safety ?

  • Julian

    Thank you for answering my question, Simon.
    Best
    Julian

  • TW

    @ Sovereign Man,

    As a current client of Caye Bank, I hope you allow these constructive criticisms as I think they are very fair and valid.

    Caye Bank does not have any bank cards currently. Peter Zipper has been saying for many, many, many months these are coming “soon” and when I called Caye Bank its still the same answer. So, dont expect to pay for anything needing a bank card, secured credit card, or the like.

    Caye Bank has more online banking issues than any offshore bank I have ever used, by far. I have never dealt with a bank that has as many “power outages” as Caye Bank. I am not talking about minutes or hours, but days.

    I have consistently had wire in and wire out issues with Caye Bank…and multiple times money has been lost someplace in “cyber space” often weeks at a time. This was even the case when sending money from one Caye Bank account to another Caye Bank account.

    Someone would use Caye Bank as a place to store money. Not a place to use to pay bills, not a place to use to get cash out of, not a place to cheaply wire in and out money, not a place that offers “full service” banking.

    Again, as a current client of theirs, I wanted to pass along some constructive insight that I feel is fair and valid.

    TW

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