Questions: Norwegian banking, Panama scams, Exit Tax

by Simon Black · 13 comments

August 13, 2010
Zakopane National Park, Poland

After finishing off a very successful liberty camp yesterday, some friends and I arrived in southern Poland last night where we plan on spending the weekend rock climbing in the High Tatra mountains.

Perhaps it’s not particularly auspicious to kick off this trip on Friday the 13th… but fortunately I’m not a superstitious man.

Before heading up into the mountains, though, I’ve been spending some time catching up on emails and questions from our community.

The first one that caught my attention was from Stuart– he writes, “Simon- after reading the “Going Global” offshore guide, I noticed that the Norwegian krone is recommended for investment. Do you have the same level of confidence in Norway’s banking system? Would you plant a banking flag there?”

Norway’s currency is becoming increasingly popular as a store of value thanks to the country’s stable economy and balance sheet. The Norwegian government ran an 11% budget surplus last year at a time when the most of the world was running an equal amount in the red.

Investors know that Norway’s wealth is based on abundant natural resources, therefore it has a higher likelihood of long-term economic strength than other economies based on consumption.

In the late 1980s and early 1990s, Norway experienced a terrible banking crisis that affected 2/3 of the industry and led to the nationalization of the three largest banks. It was caused by a chain reaction of deleveraging and asset price devaluation, leading to significant banking losses.

Essentially, this was a dress rehearsal for what the world experienced in 2008. Having learned the lessons from its own banking crisis, however, Norway was well-positioned to deal with the most recent credit crunch.

Banks there are well-capitalized, and there is a Guarantee Fund that covers all accounts up to 2 million krone (roughly $325,000).

In order to open an account, you would need a passport and a Norwegian national ID number; this can be applied for with the government tax office. You do not need to be a full time resident of Norway, though, anyone can open a bank account.

Overall, Norway is a reasonable place to plant a banking flag, and it may be worthy of your consideration depending on your personal circumstances.

Next, Kim asks, “Simon, I’ve been looking online at some legal service providers in Panama. I would be interested to know whether you think they are reasonable and legitimate, and whether their appraisal of opportunities that exist is accurate.”

In my opinion, the best way to find reliable and trustworthy contacts is to put boots on the ground in a new country. This is something that I’ve done in multiple places around the world, and I can tell you from experience that it can be time consuming and sometimes costly.

The short-cut that a lot of people rely on is Google, what I often call the ‘black hole of accurate information’. Most of the time (but with some exception), offshore service providers who rank highly in Google are great at marketing, but not spectacular at actually providing a service.

In fact, I know personally of one online service provider in Panama who ranks highly in Google that ran off to another country with clients’ money. This sort of thing unfortunately happens all the time, all over the world.

The highest quality service providers won’t be found online… or in magazines or on billboards. They get new business by word of mouth.

They don’t run factory-style businesses that churn out generic, cookie-cutter services. They take time assess each client’s individual needs and customize a solution. And the only ways to find them are through a personal referral, or by spending time on the ground.

If you’re interested in learning more, I wrote about the process for how I have done this in the past in the above-mentioned Going Global report. I also wrote a bit about the process in the free Network Infiltration report that was released last year.

Last, Betsy asks, “Simon, I’m learning a lot from your emails. I’m wondering if you could explain what is this 30% ‘exit tax’ that’s charged to American citizens who renounce their citizenship? Thank you, and keep up the good work!”

Sure; if you’re a US citizen and you want to renounce your citizenship, the government will have its hand out one last time for a portion of all of your remaining assets.

Effectively, they tax you as if you had a giant liquidation sale on the day of your renunciation, realizing the gains from all property– houses, cars, stocks, boats, bonds, businesses, art collections, retirement accounts, etc.

The tax is 30%, but they give an allowance for the first $2 million. Effectively, if your net worth is under $2 million, you can escape without paying the exit tax. Anything over $2 million will be taxed.

Have a great weekend… and keep your fingers crossed that I won’t be too accident prone in the mountains.

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  • Billybob

    Simon,
    You state that the exit tax is 30%, but is it not in fact the capital gains tax applicable to each particular asset, i.e. if one held positons for more than one year the exit tax in 2010 would be 15%? This is what I have read in other documents purporting to know the facts surrounding this tax.

  • Jon

    Hello and thanks Simon for your service.

    In your opinion, if one has a US after tax net worth of $10 m and is making plans to plant international flags starting this year, are there any tangible reasons or benefits to expatriate and give up $2.4 m (30% of $8 m)? Is it worth it in order to be completely out of reach or the long arm of US jurisdiction etc? Studying “Going Global” it appears there are alternatives such as layered entities with a Foreign Trust at the top, correct?

    I do not like what the US has become and what appears inevitable for its future. For intangible political and moral reasons, I have considered expatriation for several years when I became ready to relocate. I was unaware of the 30% expat tax until a few months ago. So, now I am having to rethink.

    Have Fun Will Travel…

    jr

  • Edwin

    Dear Sovereignman,

    I hope all is well. I'm interested in reading last years
    report…Network Infiltration. If this report is still available a
    copy of it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

    Edwin.

  • Linda

    Simon,
    I just wanted to say how pleased I am with the content and quality of the material presented in these daily emails. The writing is crisp, packed with meat and brief. Throw in intellectually stimulating and inspiring and you have a 15-course meal….enough for my head and heart to chew on.

    Your info about savvy internet marketing not always translating to real life service hit the bull's eye. Anyone can pay for spectacular webcopy and SEO(search engine optimization) but unless you have another bait it ain't worth much.

    I have sometimes contacted some of the referrals listed on a site and interviewed them myself to get a feel for what is going on. When you are able to read between the lines, your end conclusion may be different from what was fed to all the readers of a website.

    More than anything, learn to hone and trust your guts. If you are going to be travelling and investing internationally you will need it BIG time. I look forward to learning more Simon and thanks so much.

  • Joe

    Simon, Will you ever host a liberty camp in USA?

  • Mike

    Dear Simon,
    I have a question about how one gets out of a country if the situation becomes unfavorable. For example there is much news regarding people unfairly imprisoned in the UAE. I personally plan to move there given the zero tax rate etc (I am a UK citizen) but I cant help thinking that with governments doing what they please- police free to act as they wish- and states making you prove your innocence rather than the other way round- are there any thoughts on any contingencies if one has to just get up and go? Of course I am all for criminals being punished but I feel we are moving towards a situation where anyone can be falsely accused of anything. I would really appreciate your thoughts on any preparations one can make.

  • Dr. G Martinez

    Good information, Simon. Where, in Latin America can one plant a similar banking flag. Thanks. Dr G. Martinez

  • gerald747

    Simon,

    Thank you for all you do in providing information.

    In regard to the “exit tax”, what if your total assets are under $2 million but some of your assets are in a Traditional IRA? Under these circumstances, can one renounce citizenship and not have to pay any taxes on the funds in the Traditional IRA?

    Mike

  • Jprivers

    About Norwegian banking: Remember that just the Norwegian registered banks have the mentioned garantee, not all banks operating in Norway. This was vitnessed when the Icelandic banks tumbled in Norway. Go for the big ones, DnB, Nordea, etc. See: http://www.bankenessikringsfond.no/

  • Linda

    This comment does not tie into the subject for this email but does shed light on travel into the US. I just discovered this yesterday. It is a documentary about the TSA. Check it out yourself. I have not watched it yet. http://www.pleaseremoveyourshoesmovie.com

    To make matters even more interesting, starting from Sept 8th there will now be a $14.00 entry fee to be paid by nationals from developed countries who do not need a visa to enter the US. That's 36 countries. What else is next? Have a great week everyone.

  • Dh7887

    Just a couple of points on ancestry citizenship. I have a friend who went this route and it takes longer than the optimistic projections people often her. Therefore, if this is something you feel you may be interested in, sooner is better than later.
    Several years ago my friend looked into Polish citizenship and thought she was not eligible. Instead of asking “under what conditions does somebody gain or lose Polish citizenship” (ie under today's law) she should have asked “at the time that my ancestor was born married naturalized etc. did that result in gaining/losing citizenship?”
    A few years later she asked the right questions, took her 6 months to get the appropriate information and answers.
    Then it took her another 6 months to gather proof (birth marriage and death certificates.) Severl countries were involved due to WW2/refugee situation, and it was time consuming and expensive.
    She hired a lawyer in a third country. This lawyer didn't do a good job, and a year later died and the law firm went bankrupt. (If you reasearch Polish citizenship forums you'll know who this is.)
    She paid more to a second lawyer to finish the job. This took a year, to get a “confirmation” that she was indeed a Polish citizen.
    Wait, we're not done yet. Next step was getting her birth record registered in Poland (she wasn't born there, and only after it was proven that she was a citizen could it be registered.) That took 4 months, and about $200 more to the lawyer.
    Only after that could she apply for her Polish citizn ID number (something like or social security number.) That was free, but she had to go to her Polish consulate to do it, took about a month.
    Next step (pending) is getting her Polish passport, again in person at the consulate, no lawyer's fees here. The consulate says it takes 2-3 months.
    By the way there are forums on the web about Polish tizenship (sorry I don't have the link.)

  • Robert

    Thanks for all the great insights and information. 2 questions:

    1. You visit so many countries. How many languages do you speak?

    2. You have a good pen name. Do you have any suggestions for coming up with a good pen name?

    Thank You.

  • Promagma

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