“Stay and fight”: Is this realistic?

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June 17, 2011
London

Before leaving New York, I was enjoying a perfectly nice afternoon yesterday walking around the Upper West side. When I got to Lincoln center, roughly at the corner of Broadway and W 62nd Street, reality set in.

No fewer than ten NYPD storm troopers were ‘patrolling’ the sidewalk outside in full combat gear: Kevlar helmet, flak vest, semi-automatic 9mm sidearm, and Colt model 933 with M900 foregrip and M68 aimpoint. A few of them had M203 variety grenade launchers fitting snugly underneath the barrel.

And to what did we owe the deployment of such unnecessary firepower? An invasion of the Canadian hordes? Terrorists on the loose? No. Some visiting politician… clearly an individual who feels important enough to merit an intimidating death squad in his vicinity.

This is the nature of the system. Police are armed to the teeth… and while their official marketing slogan may be to ‘keep people safe’, their real function is to be the protectors and enforcers for the political class, all while keeping the people in check so that the know who’s boss.

On this note, we received a lot of comments this week from readers who reject the idea of considering greener pastures overseas and instead choose to “stay and fight.”

Reader Jay K, for instance, wrote that “sooner or later you’re going to have to fight. It might as well be in your own home, city, neighborhood, and country.”

This ‘stay and fight’ mentality does seem incredibly noble. It invokes images of Paul Revere and the original patriots standing their ground in battle against the red coat British forces. Unfortunately, the world just doesn’t work that way anymore.

There is no real enemy to fight… no clearly defined opposing force conveniently dressed in a different color like the rival baseball team. The battle is one of ideas.

At its simplest, the conflict comes down between those who believe that government is the problem, and those who believe that government is the solution. Most people are brainwashed statists who unquestioningly hold the latter as their ethos.

And then there is the big faceless void of government itself… politicians, bureaucrats, low-level workers, regulatory agencies, etc. We’re not talking about a single individual here, but an entire institution.

It begs the question– for all the ‘stay and fight’ people, who exactly are you fighting? And more importantly, how?

Of all the hundreds of similar notes we’ve received from people who claim they are going to ‘stay and fight’, I am still waiting for one… just one single email… from someone telling me exactly how they plan on doing that.

Are you going to go to the polls and kick the bums out? Go right ahead. If you can convince the majority of other voters (most of whom probably don’t share your ideology), then you’re just going to vote in another set of bums.

Politicians are politicians because they either (a) are attracted to power, and/or (b) think that government is the solution, not the problem. Replacing one set with another is hardly a credible course of action.

What else is the plan– armed conflict in the streets? I don’t understand this fantasy. The people are going to arm themselves and join together for an Old West style shootout against the police, the people will win, and then a new nation will be rebuilt espousing limited government principles?

It sounds like a great movie… but pinning your hopes on being able to win a revolutionary style victory against a military police state that has superior tactics, firepower, and combat experience is simply unrealistic.

Besides, real turmoil in the west is just getting started. Right now the conflict is in Greece and Spain. It will spread to Italy, Belgium, UK, etc., and then finally to the US.

When it does, people will find out first hand that the police have absolutely no problems turning into violent thugs… and this police state grows stronger every day.

Truthfully, there is no way to fight a faceless enemy. The government is essentially the same as your credit card company– no single individual or front, just a collection of various departments and bureaucracies.

What do you do when your credit card company raises your fees, takes your money, provides you with poor service? Do you petition for change? Do you try and convince fellow credit card holders to demand new management? Do you stalk the customer service center in Sioux City, Iowa? No, of course not. You simply get a new card.

This is ultimately the solution that I’m advocating, and I’m here to tell you that there are a lot of great cards out there in the world.

If you recognize that the trend is bad, at least have a plan to safeguard yourself, your family, your livelihood, and your assets… something that extends beyond the unrealistic (voting the bums out) and the mythical (doing battle in the streets).

It’s time to reject bombastic fantasies and check in to reality. Make a grounded appraisal of the situation, and if you decide to stick around, great. Just make sure you have strong safeguards in place, a plan to execute if you ever deem it necessary, and most of all, a clear idea of your breaking point.

After all, the boiling frog only survives when it senses danger and jumps out.

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  • JARHEADMF

    Bullshit!

     Simon, you sound just like a Tory 235 years ago. The British Empire was at it’s peak, it’s Army, it’s Navy were unchallanged. We The People, defeated them.

     Of 3 million Colonists, 1 million espoused the nonsense you’ve wriiten-Loyalist(now called Police State supporters), 1 million were apathetic sheeep, and the remaining million espoused Independence. Of that 1/3, one of ten picket up a musket. Thats 3 of 100 total. THE 3% (now called OATHKEEPERS-veterans who are fully capable, and the establishment knows it) consist of roughly 9 million able bdy veterans today. Tell me “It’s futile to resist”.

    ..and I’ll call “Bullshit”.

    We were a BRITISH COLONY, BRITISH SUBJECTS, the King of England was OUR KING. WE OVERTHREW OUR OWN GOVERNMENT. The Crown still just can’t get over that.

    • Michael

      While I see things like Simon, I fundamentally agree with you. Stay and fight is all, it is noble, brave and shows loyalty. It is what we shall all aspire to. The American revolution is the perfect poster boy for that. Yet times have changed. So the question is not its nobility, or any other great feeling attached, but as Simon says the question is whether it is realistic?
      Governments now have means of control, intervention, surveillance, that were not as pervasive in the 18th century. Their means are unequaled by the people at large. While the 2nd amendment is great, it cannot compete with stealth fighters and precision bombs, just as one example. So in the modern world the question remains whether changing the methods of government is realistic through political or revolutionary means. The arab spring tends to prove that the latter is very much feasible, and that’s good.
      So now at what cost, both in lives and time? How many generations to reform things? How many people are even aware of the need for reform?
      So stay and “fight” is great, but there is no realistic political fight as of now, some burgeoning one yes, but reality shows they’re not effective, and there certainly is no other “fight” per say, even if one thought it could be possible.

      If the country evolves towards utter shamble, things will change, both from a political standpoint and an action standpoint. The military may not be so willing to side with the political system instead of the people. And then Egypt like change (on which the jury is still out mind you) may become possible. Until then reality shows that it’s not the case, and reality also shows that even such a scenario of “stay and fight” may not be the most effective ultimately. The great thing is that we’re still free to choose which method we like best.
      The question indeed is about “reality”.

      Incidentally the British power was an outside power, not an inside one, that is why we were called colonies. Just that in itself is a MAJOR difference.
      It may not be “futile” to resist, but is it the best, most effective way, or the most realistic?

    • Thumbs up Patriot

      JARHEADMF-  Yours is about the only comments that make sense here.  And where does anyone propose to escape to?  The Caribbeans?  Get real.  We need a stable and secure country and they just don’t exist any more.  We The People cannot and do not surrender.  That’s what makes this nation great.

    • USKiwi

      So who exactly are you going to fight?  The government, the bankers, the police? If so, how exactly are your going to do it?

      If there ever was going to be a resistance to tyranny in the US, it should have happened long ago.  People continue to say, “people are getting mad and they are not going to take it anymore.”  Well people have been saying that for 20 years.  Every time that the line in the sand is crossed, American’s simply make a new line rather than actually standing up and doing something about it.  The most people will ever do is complain about it online and to their friends.

      The combination of apathy with a lack of opportunity to change the system makes the situation hopeless. 

      The “stay and fight” crowd simple refuses to recognize this situation as their judgement has been clouded by nationalism which is programmed into American’s from birth.

      I was able to wake up from the cloud of nationalistic fervor and take action to improve my situation and remove myself and family from a hopeless situation.  Two years ago I moved to New Zealand as a permanent resident and have never looked back.  Having been here for a while I can without a doubt report that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence.

      And before you call me a traitor or sell-out, you might want to know I have probably served the US more than most of you.  I am a USMA graduate, and have spent three years of my life in the last decade on overseas deployments.  I have paid my dues in time and blood. 

    • Diogenes_

      Can you overthrow the minds of the majority of Americans who want big daddy fascist government?

      Besides that fundamental bottom line, it’s useful to note that the Continental army had decisive help from the French Navy and French soldiers, and that England was also fighting a global war with both France and Spain at the time.

      Additional noteworthy facts related to this area:
      -According to journalist Hersh, the ‘surge’ in Iraq was relatively ‘successful’ because the US used secret new insurgent identification technology to implement a large assassination program.
      -The NSA almost certainly has internal access to facebook,google and anything else electronic, and the computer power to all but predict what you will have for breakfast tomorrow, literally.
      -The government dominates big media, and anyone who disagrees with the fox-msnbc kabuki play is called a ‘conspiracy theorist’, and the large majority of the public readily believes that.
      -Rumsfeld revealed a plan years ago to instigate anti US terrorism with agent provacateurs in order to ‘flush out’ terrorists and/or insurgents.
      -The FBI has often used agent provacateurs in investigating various domestic protestor groups, to the point of being mocked for setting up questionable arrests.

      Check out ‘The rise and decline of the state’ by van Creveld. Think money power, not gun power.

    • Vlad Tepid

      And how many people died in that civil war in 1776?  Quite a few. As technology progresses, more people die as they stand  up to government power.  Compare 1776 with 1865.  Then compare that with an even more modern civil war in a Western country – Spain 1936.  It just gets worse and worse.  If you espouse liberty that America once stood for, does it do the cause of liberty any good if you,one of the few who truly understands it,has your brains splattered over the back of your living room?  Who will then raise your children when you and your wife have gone down as martyrs?  Certainly not King George’s state – more likely an all-pervasive PC/newspeak state that you so detest.  So in the end you lose and assuage your conscience on pain of death and the “turning to the dark side” of your family.  

      You must admit, as those above me in the thread have said, that everyone in the US, including your ancestors, Jarhead, left an unmanageable economic,political, or social system back in the “Old World.”  Were they called names?  Probably. Were they vilified by the people who wanted so “stay and fight,” sworn at and called traitors?  Probably.  But did their families live in peace, liberty, and prosperity in a way they never could have back home?  Yes.  

      Living in America, having won our independence from Britain, we have a skewed view of revolution.  We think that resistance works.  It doesn’t.  Ask the French if things got better under the Jacobins. Ask the Russians if things got better under Lenin.  Ask the Prague Spring, the Hungarian Uprising, the Revolutions of 1848, the Kurds in 1991 Iraq, the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, even the Whiskey Rebels here in the USA how those worked out.  Read these and others THEN comeback to the forum and discuss how inconceivably distant British power with equally matched 18th century arms is similar to the “occupying force” that the US government represents today.

      Simon is working very hard to bring a logical case for disengagement,so please do not mock him.  When you do, you mock all the people who have decided to spare their families the miserable “hell” that you yourself admit is spreading (CA elected Reagan only a few short decades ago to run the state) and do what their ancestors did – honorably and honestly count the cost, look their children in the eyes and find a place that allows them to live closer to the natural rights that the US Constitution once enumerated.

      You say that we have only the choice to stand and fight, but I disagree with that.  When a bully comes up to your face with a spittle-flying diatribe, you can cower and acquiesce, you can punch him in the face and ensure retaliation, or you can look him in the eye, tell him to find someone else to pick on,and walk out of the room.   I’ve made my choice.

    • LNSu

      They fought a crown we are fighting more an invisible force designed for world control. I WANT you to be right I want to fight for the right thing, I don’t see it :(

    • Gil

      Only for the winners to form their own government and become the evil they destroyed.  Even President Washington sent the army to crush tax protestors.

    • Clark

       JARHEADMF said, “…Of 3 million Colonists… Of that 1/3, one of ten picket up a musket. Thats 3 of 100 total.” blah blah blah.

      I’m not so certain that is correct.
      I’ve been reading some work from historians who say the 3% figure is not accurate, rather almost the Entire country was against the crown, so very unlike today.

      The 3% figure may be a myth.

    • Johnnyreb92

      Jarhead,
        I think you are mistaken. The colonists had far more freedom under King George than we US citizens have today under the ever-expanding federal government. And there are far too many Americans who support the government because they depend on it. I would love to see the US empire dissolved, but I have no faith on what might follow. The people are far too corrupt or brainwashed to support the change. And wasn’t French help crucial in the defeat of the British? And what kind of ‘independence’ do we have today? We are wasting blood and treasure in unjustified wars, largely because of our alliance with the state of Israel, which was created by stealing land from the Palestinians. But the rot started long ago, with the invasion of the South by the tyrant Abraham Lincoln. Until Lincoln is understood to have been a villain, until all the wars waged since the Civil War are recognized to have been either unnecessary, unjustified, or downright criminal, there is no hope for the United States. Bankruptcy will end the empire, but the result, I am afraid, will not be pretty. Military dictatorship appears to be in our future.

  • John William Johnson

    i wish things were that black and white, ie, government yes or government no. I don’t understand your faith in the world without regulation. How do you deal with the corporations, hedge funds, brokers who actually lie to their customers as part of company policy, and then insure themselves against the losses that their customers will incur.
    I don’t see corporations doing anything to factor in “external costs”,ie, pollution, over fishing, over harvesting, the crazy use of mono-culture (most people don’t realize that the dust bowl of the depression was caused by the same one huge crop philosophy that still runs our food production.
    You say you haven’t seen even one e-mail that says how people are going to fight “them”. I would love to know how you propose to regulate the greedy power hungry one percent that now controls more of the economy then ever before.
    Believe me Simon, i love your emails and i’m not trying to be argumentative. Most of what you say i understand, but i don’t understand how you see the above issues being resolved. I don’t think the world is black and white. There’s a lot of grey, and therein lies the tough and grueling work.

    • Diogenes_

       Corporations only lie to their customers to the extent they are backed in doing so by the coercive government, such as in selling investments in cdo’s that wouldn’t exist without the government easy loan regulations and fed policy that caused the mortgage crises. Without backing by the governments coercion, any corporation that lied to it’s customers would soon most clearly have no customers.

       The SEC,FDIC and Fed would clearly not exist without the force of a government. If those regulators did not exist, people would understand much better that the only one who can be trusted to do proper due diligence on their own investments is themselves. The SEC exists yet their are now blatant rip off pump and dump penny stock and forex gambling ads all over the internet, and that doesn’t even scratch the surface of the very false sense of security the SEC provides.

       The market regulates itself vastly more efficiently and effectively than any central planners ever could, as long as that process isn’t interfered with by central planners. Before the FDIC, banks that lied to their customers were liquidated in a single day by bank runs. Now they live to lie and steal another day with bailout funds.

       Farmers couldn’t stop the dust bowl and they can’t stop volcanoes either, there are ‘acts of God’ that even the market can’t stop, but will handle better and prepare for better than any government, such as with the government built flood walls in New Orleans.

    • Michael

      Simple, what he says is pure market dynamics. You don’t like this store, go to that store, and make sure that at any point your choice is not limited to one particular store. Market forces will do the rest. When one country will see all of its smart, wealthy, etc.. people go away, things will change by necessity, maybe, at least hopefully. Any other method of change is unrealistic at best, utopian at worst.
      Well even if I didn’t get it his message correctly, that’s my POV. And that addresses your concerns also. Indeed there is no black and white, it’s all grey. Choose the shade of grey that suits you best, the best one will survive and thrive.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Reddoch/100000643940404 Steve Reddoch

    I think you underestimate America.  Yes, there is nothing shoot at – today:) But that can quickly change.

    Look at Utah, you can now pay with Gold & Silver.

    The wonderful thing about America is America is NOT about Washington, DC.  It composes a lot of states that have a lot of power, and while some are swimming in the bowels of Hell (California comes to mind), many other states are working hard to keep things good.

    How long do you honestly think American’s will put up with hard-line tactics? I think not very long, there is a point at which they will have had enough.

    The way I see it, is most folks are seeing if the system will work -  can we elect new people who can fix it?

    But America is special: “One Nation Under God”.  That means something, and you can’t discount it, and you sure do not turn tail and run away because things might get bad.  Further, unlike most countries, America has 200,000,000 guns and many people perfectly willing to use them.

    There is no doubt, hell has opened up and is spreading across America, and why wouldn’t it?  If you are going to attack a nation, best attack that One Nation Under God, right?

    Things will get bad, very bad, those who have not prepared with God, Gold and Guns will be in bad shape.  But history is full of society collapses, we will rebuild, and fix it.

  • Donal

    Thom Hartmann’s book The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight has the best description I’ve read of what he calls Dominator Culture.  It is what all societies excepting a few primitive tribes consist of these days.  The state is ultimately powerful.  The cruel irony is that the only way to defeat such a dominator culture is to become another dominator culture, thereby becoming what you are fighting.  What you can do is work to disentangle your life from it, starve it, don’t participate or even give it credibility.  There are awakenings to this, such as the Transition movement, simplicity movement, the permanent traveler movement, etc.  The best way to fight Monsanto’s GMO food is to grow your own or from an organic source.  The best way to fight the big banks is to eliminate debt and pay in cash, and do everything you can to buy locally direct and keep the money swirling around your own community, not dragged away to the HQs of multinationals.  In the same way you take care of your family, take care of your community (including the natural environment).  Make every purchase (or restraint) a conscious one.  The rise of police states are funded by monied elites to protect monied elites. If you have enough money to be part of the elites, then perhaps you can find in that community the safety and freedom you desire.   To “stand and fight” is equivalent to “suicide by police.”  Ralph Nader once wrote that the Republican’s job is to convince suckers that trickle down economics really works.  The Democrats job is to take in those who aren’t convinced, who want to protest, and gently dissipate all their energy.  The alternative is self reliance, it all its many manifestations, that leads to larger communities that eventually replace what is now in place.

  • Moving Soon

    Brilliant.  Absolutely Brilliant.  ”Most people are brainwashed statists who unquestioningly hold the latter as their ethos.”  I am surrounded by this daily.  No way am I betting the future of my family on my fellow local citizens. 

    Now that I learn that I can just up and move to MUCH greener pastures without asking permission or any repercussions; that seems the clear choice for me.

    Thanks Simon, keep it coming.

  • Joshua100

    I believe at some point when people realize that change will not come from the ballot box and they run out of places to flee, the only option left regrettably is to fight. People who understand this concept, who refuse to be subjugated by police or corrupt politicians, will not openly discuss this topic for fear of reprisal. They’ll simply do what they feel is necessary in the interest of self-preservation if the problem appears on their doorstep. Such individuals have learned very important lessons from events such as the wholly unconstitutional gun confiscations which took place during post-Katrina by the New Orleans police department and a long list of federal and out-of-state ”law enforcement” contractors. This single event has hardened the resolve of a large percentage of freedom loving Americans who closely studied the Katrina gun confiscation and understand the wanton and naked threat it posed to the local law abiding community.

    Combat is always the last resort, but in the face of a determined threat that won’t take no for an answer, and with no avenue for retreat, the last resort can occur very suddenly and without warning.

  • Ray-Ray

    I tend to agree with Simon on this one.  True freedom is freedom from illusion, but I am afraid that most patriots are under the illusion that the ship can be saved, that just one more election will turn the tide and the cancer can be cured.  History is not so optimistic with regards to failing empires, this is not to say that all is lost, but that the cancer has to run it’s course.  The Cancer of government has grown too big and the free market and the will of the people too weak to make any major changes at this advanced stage of deterioration.  Every good captain knows when the ship is lost and launches the life raft.  Simon is right, there is no saving this bloated corpse, until it keels over and people can start anew.  I think that picking up and heading to high ground elsewhere overseas is a grand idea.  Maybe all the producers will band together and refuse to fund this parasitic bloated police state.   Vote with your feet, cause voting against millions of addicted paracites is all but useless, and the Government know it.  Besides, as it all goes down they intend to bring you down with them.

    • USKiwi

      Good comment.

      Like I mentioned in another post on this article, I saw the writing on the wall a few years back and we are now living down in New Zealand as permanent residents and will get our dual citizenship in another 3 years.

      We have run into a lot of people from other countries who are living here or just visiting.  One thing that is very apparent is the nationalistic “stay and fight” mentality is only something that exists with American’s. 

      Personally, I think this is the result of the American culture which continues to perpetuate the lie that the US is without the best place to live in the world combined with the fact that most American’s that consider themselves to be patriots are actually nationalists.  There are a lot of other contributing factors but those are the big ones.  The average American is much less traveled or knowledgeable about life overseas than the average NZer, Aussie, or European.  They have an unrealistic view of American “greatness”, America’s role in the world, and most importantly, how the rest of the world view’s America.

      Right now you are only seeing a trickle of people jumping ship from the US.  As things get worse, more and more people will become aware of the situation for what it really is and try to leave.   The number of American’s moving down here to NZ has doubled as a percentage of the total number of immigrants from when we first moved here.  At some point, the doors to NZ and other locations will be shut as the economic situation worsens.  The US is and will continue to make moving from the US and moving money offshore painful until the point it is banned. 

  • Ken Long

    I have no interest in staying here and fighting for survival. I would leave just for the experience and enjoyment of the move.

    I have no desire to give up my US citizenship, or my US regulated brokerage accounts (a place to stash a few years of living expences offshore, out of the dollar, is however a good idea). After 50 years I will always be an American, wherever I go. It just seems much more enjoyable to me to explore the Caribean and parts of South America, than to stay here and put up with the increasing chaos and attitude in the states.

  • R.

    Great article.
    To all the “stay and  fight” people – do not compare the current situation to 18th century. It’s nothing like that. Compare it to the communist revolutions in Central and Eastern Europe or to Nazi Germany – the ones who stayed back and fought LOST. Every time. The ones that left thrived and helped to destroy the regime from outside.

  • Anonymous

    Stay ‘n Fight OR Tuck Tail ‘n Run?

    I say both. Stay and fight, but be prepared to run.

    Without a doubt, the USA is the greatest political experiment ever conducted… it is worth fighting for. And I believe that few in this forum would disagree that the USA and much of the western world is at a tipping point… think Thelma and Louise driving toward the canyon… we still have time to put the brakes on… but just barely. The big question is… does the electorate have the propensity to put the brakes on in time? I hope and pray so… and will be a part of trying to do so…  but at the same time, the wise money is in planting multiple flags.

    To answer Simon’s question “who exactly are you fighting?”
    “One hundred plus years of progressive advances lead by the likes of Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, George H Bush, Bill Clinton, George W Bush and last… but certainly not least Obama.” Back to the analogy… Thelma and Louise have given the steering wheel to Obama and he has put the pedal to the metal… blinding joking about “shovel ready projects” while we are headed to the great chasm.

    To answer Simon’s question “And more importantly, how?”
    “Use our constitutional method… throw the bums out!”
    For this, we have Obama to thank… (can’t believe I just said that). Yes, thank Obama because he has changed the magnetic poles on the political compass. For all too long the political compass debate has been Conservative vs Liberal, but now the debate has changed to the Obama Progressives vs the Tea Party Libertarians. I believe that most of the electorate can now see that big government is not the answer.

    In the 2010 election, one tire of the car was shot out by the Tea Party when the House went Republican. While with economy is still headed for the cliff, it has slowed down.

    But the answer is more than “throw the bums out.” We also have to elect good and wise people to replace them… and I would give us a 20% chance to do so. I think if we:
    1. Elected a businessman like Herman Cain… we would have the right leader to first step on the brakes and then to chose the right advisers to get us out of this mess. He is the only candidate to embrace the Fairtax.org… and I think the Fairtax is part of the solution.
    2. The senate must go Tea Party Republicans.
    3. The house must get rid of cry baby Boehner.

    So I believe that the electorate has the “possibility” to put on the brakes and save us from going over the cliff.

    ~~~
    If it is all so bad, then why haven’t we already gone over the cliff?

    If the USA was a banana republic, then our paper money would be worse than toilet paper… it could not be used for s..t. But we are not a banana republic… we are a buck-toothed, thread-bare contestant in a redneck beauty contest.

    Simon Black once likened the world money market to a red-neck beauty contest with three ugly beauty queens in tattered rags. Well, now I submit a four queen has been entered to the contest who looks like Taz with a pretty red outfit, glossy red lipstick,a white veil to cover the warts and a big club hidden behind her back. So while the red-neck judges are certainly looking Red Taz over, most are not ready to kiss her. The money still has no place to go.

    I for one believe that 2012 could once again make the USA the winner of the Redneck Beauty Contest.

    So Simon, I submit that we still have something worth fighting about… and enemy worth fighting and an outside chance to win.

    … but in case we don’t win, we all need an exit strategy.

    Zan

  • Adelphos

    I always enjoy reading your perspective.  In this case I think that it is every bit as reactionary as the views you so prolifically oppose.  Truth is often somewhere in the middle.  Comparing NYC Police to Storm Troopers is absolutely nutty.  The Police don’t have any rights on civilian property unless in pursuit of an actual felony.  They have no rights outside of city limits. 

    In other words, they have limited powers. 

    We have problems here.  Becoming a Communist state is not one of them.

    There has been a great erosion in limited powers in recent years.  But this is nothing compared to the tremendous governmental powers of nations you routinely support.

    China has absolute power and is a Communist state.  Improvements in human relations there are merely a facade.  You could not be Chinese, living in China, and be critical of China in the way you are critical of the US without landing in a prison for “re-education”.

    How about a little quid pro quo?

  • Dunning Kruger

    There is not a “face” yet, but it is coming. I am also one of the stay and fight folks, but I will not be running and laying down in front of a tank. To see the face, we are going to have to wait for the collapse, at which point much of the “beast” will be wounded and out of work, or at least not getting paid, as there is no more money. Since they are probably going to be bitter and angry, as they are not one of the chosen still in power, many will be able to be recruited for the cause, and their knowledge of the internal structures used to assist the resistance.

    However, we also know that the highest level politicians will continue in their positions, and the “security forces” will be deployed, as you said, “for our safety.” However, they will also all stand out like a sore thumb, much like the commandos in NYC. At that point, it becomes pretty simple. It becomes a guerrilla war, with easily defined, albiet well armed targets on one side, and faceless members of the crowd on the other. I’m sure it will be neither fun nor pretty, but snipers can be very demoralizing, and when properly deployed can help supply the resistance. Also, ambushes of patrols in isolated or advantageous locations are also tough on the forces. This requires strong local knowledge, much of which is already collected for our area. We know which areas to avoid, and what to look for when things change.

    Geneology is also an interesting hobby, like who are the brothers, sisters, neices, nephews, moms and dads of the elites. The security forces can’t protect them all, and we can whittle away at the will of the oppressors via their family, especially when we make it clear why. Violence begets violence. Oppression breeds resistance. Nice? Not really. But then I didn’t start this mess, nor am i profiting from the pain and losses of others either.

    If a rag-tag bunch of rebels can defeat the soviet army at its height, I would imagine that a well trained resistance/militia can help reform a smaller, frazzled government.  Time and patience. Exploit opportunity.  Make them hurt more than they hurt us. I already took the oath to defend the constitution, now I just need the targets.

  • M.D.K

    The question what can we actually do to fight back has begun to be answered by people such as Pastor and 2008 Constitutionalist Presidential candidate Chuck Baldwin.  He says, “It is time to pick a liberty loving state and circle the wagons around it.”  Our only hope is for the states to stand up to the unconstitutional monstrosity we call the federal government.  This is a Union of States that has laws which guarantee the rights of states.  The tenth amendment is just one of those.  The states are not at the mercy of the federal government.  Not if you adhere to the Constitution.  The states are to be controlled by “we the people.”  Any encroachment upon these guaranteed liberties are an encroachment upon the very liberties that God guarantees through the Constitution of the United States.  It is up to the states to make sure these laws are enforced through civil disobedience or if need be secession. 

    How do you fight back? Well, if the saying “the pen is mightier than the sword” has any legitimacy; you start by standing up for liberty on forums, blogs, and websites such as this.  People need to be educated.  Ignorance is why America is in the condition it is in.  For too long people have just gone along with life as they know it and been okay with the status quo.  Many Americans don’t know what the proper role of government is supposed to be.  That has to change in order for true hope to form.

    So how do you fight back? Share with friends, family, church family, and co-workers your thoughts of liberty and righteousness.  While not all people believe in God, most do.  I believe prayer and bible reading are another way to “fight back.”  God is much more powerful and much smarter than any money-hungry and power-hungry elitist in government.  God is in control.  Not man. 

    How else can you fight back? Do what Pastor Chuck Baldwin has done, pick a liberty loving state and circle your wagons around it.  Why should we leave our country just because of the tyranny of a few?  There are a lot more liberty loving people in America than there is liberty hating people.  As crappy as our country is becoming, this is still one of the greatest if not the greatest country to live in in the entire world.

    What other thing can you do to fight back? Stop voting for the lesser of two evils.  Vote for those that actually support and defend the Constitution period.  NO EXCEPTIONS! This one has been tough for me.  No one wants to feel like their vote is being thrown away.  But if we want change and true hope, this is what we must do. 

    What else can be done to fight back? Saint Augustine said, “An unjust law is no law at all.”  We have a duty and a responsibility to disobey laws that violate the Constitution of the United States.  God is our judge, not man.  At least, that is what I believe.  We must stand up for righteousness.  I don’t know a lot, but all I know is if we don’t put our foot down as Americans and say enough is enough, then things will stay the same and perhaps even get worse.

    I believe there are more liberty loving and God fearing Americans in this country than enemies of liberty and God.  It is up to us to act.  What will you do with you and your family?

  • Walter E Kurtz

    Faceless enemy? No, that’s just what they want you to think.  If someone wanted to pin a face on the enemy they could look at politicians, federal agents, and even local government agents.   None of whom I just named are unfindable or immune from an armed populace.  You think the U.S. military is some big unstoppable force? They’ve been at war for 10 years fighting against some guys in sandals with Ak-47s who sleep in caves.  You really think they stand a chance against millions of armed pissed off Americans (with former military training) who can just blend back into society? While I respect your opinion to flee elsewhere during a crisis, I think who I am what what I have in life is work fighting and dying for.  Resist!

  • Scott Braswell

    We do know who the enemy is.  It is the global elite (The Bilderbergers).  As far as how, those sort of things are figured out an organized by very smart and courageous people when the time comes.  Its hard to say how because no one has a crystal ball.  If we don’t stand up and fight at some point, even the places you covet like Santiago will be taken over by these thugs.  If we don’t stand up and fight at some point, any place you relocate to that has any resources at all will soon be a police state.  If you don’t stand up and fight, you will soon have nowhere to run.  i value your info very much and i agree that everyone should be prepared and have options, but you too will be a slave if you don’t stand up and fight.  

  • http://profiles.google.com/richard.carpenter7 Richard Carpenter

    I ask myself where my children and their children will be better off.  I urge my son to visit Costa Rica and Chile, but I don’t believe he will consider it unless the draft comes back. Hope it is not too late then!  I  offer to go with him or not, as he prefers, if he wants to expatriate. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/procinctu.info Vigilo Procinctu

    good points, simon.

    but just like the Southern Poverty Law Center puts out an ‘evil militia’ list… otherwise known to me as ‘real americans’ or ‘allies’…

    your article has brought out ‘crazy suicide mission’ types…. also otherwise known to me as ‘real americans’ or ‘allies’

    that said….. Steve R., Dan S., JarheadMF, and anyone else interested…. my e-mail is vigilo@procinctu.info

  • http://profiles.google.com/miscreanity Ramon Pla

    I entirely agree that fighting directly is folly.

    Undermining the power structure that supports the institution is entirely possible, although there is no way I see to avoid major hardship during the interim.http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/03/building-structure-of-new-society.htmlhttp://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/09/2403.shtmlAn extremely promising means of making the currency base irrelevant is using decentralized crypto-currencies such as Bitcoin. It is already in government’s sights and I’m sure the banks are in a tizzy.More information:Bitcoinhttps://bitcoin.it/wiki/FAQhttp://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdfOpen Transactionshttps://github.com/FellowTraveler/Open-Transactions/wikiThere is extensive misinformation and speculation regarding these forms of currency. An in-depth discussion regarding the viability of these topics is at these links (the comments in part 2 are particularly detailed):http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2011/06/bitcoin-open-forum.htmlhttp://fofoa.blogspot.com/2011/06/bitcoin-open-forum-part-2.htmlI agree with Simon that the best option, for those who can leave before that becomes exceedingly difficult or impossible, is still definitely to go where you can be productive instead of struggling.

  • Arctic Patriot

    Yeah.  Run.  Keep running.  Don’t ever stand and fight.  Don’t ever stand on principle.  Save your own skin.  Screw posterity.

    News flash.  There is nowhere to “run”.

    If freedom dies here, it is dead indeed.

    “To stand on the firing parapet and expose yourself to
    danger; to stand and fight a thousand miles from home when you’re all
    alone and outnumbered and probably beaten; to spit on your hands and
    lower the pike; to stand fast over the body of Leonidas the King; to be
    rear guard at Kunu-Ri; to stand and be still to the Birkenhead Drill;
    these are not rational acts. They are often merely necessary.”
    -Pournelle
    It’s a personal choice.  You go ahead and run.I’m going to fight.ResistAP

  • ice nine

    best case scenario for the usa — banton’s “pleasure prison” from Interstate 60

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxjKbEvHdrk

    but such optimism is likely unrealistic

  • echokilo

    John William Johnson,You want regulation. Sadly, you have been brainwashed into thinking that regulation is necessary. This is why I am against government messing with education. Regulation is a joke, but you won’t see this for quite a while, until you start allowing certain thoughts to interfere with brainwashing. I’ve been where you are now. What a pain. But, there is a way out.Joshua100 and JARHEADMF,Combat is a method. It must have a goal, or it would be just combat, but no victory. Americans fighting England did have a goal. But, if you want to fight today, you can’t have a goal. Let me explain.Say that the British had made a referendum for Americans, and all were allowed to vote, and British would really go away if the result demanded that they do. What would be the result of such referendum? According to JARHEADMF this would be 2/3 for kicking the British out (1/3 didn’t want to fight, but wanted the Tommies out nevertheless). Too bad there was no referendum, they the situation devolved into combat, which solved the problem and achieved the goal that was clear even on a referendum day.Today is not the same. This is a democratic government that is evolving into the next stage – fascist police state. It is evolving to that because to become the fascist police state is the dear dream (goal) of most Americans (it’s a goal for most people, always).Americans vs. Britain was possible because there was a goal, i.e. the ruling state was oppressive to majority. The combat then facilitated the achievement of the goal.In 1930-1940, during the WW2 again, the fighting was against something that majority didn’t want. With regards to Hitler, they wanted him dead, so he was dead. With regards to Soviets and Americans, they didn’t want any freedom, and they won, and built a police state for themselves.If you want to fight no matter what for, be my guest. But if you want to use the combat to achieve the goal of freedom in US, then you will lose spectacularly, because this is the democracy, in this country, the people get exactly what they want. Nothing is done to them against the desire of the majority. So, the majority is not supporting your combat goals.Yes, you can just go all out, alone with your own balls or with few friends, or even with some who are the minority in that they want freedom. Two problems: First, you’d still likely to lose, unless you are as good as Alexander the Great. Second, – you then become the tyrant. You are then will be against of what the majority of democratic state desires. Do you have any moral right to kill them just to make them to accept something that you desire as minority? What about “the aggregate good of the people”? This math isn’t going to work out. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/sefton.hanley Sefton Hanley

    “Most people are brainwashed statists who unquestioningly hold the latter as their ethos”
    47 % of people pay no federal taxes.. Why wouldnt they want more state ?? The ‘state’ is the comforting provider of their needs not based on merit or work. Gas is kept at crazy cheap levels (try living in europe or UK with 10 bucks a UK gallon), or European 21% sales taxes. In the US the low end barely pays, yet accounts for a majority who can demand more handouts. Its the creators who are forced to pay, its the entrepreneurs, its the upper level workers who support the rest who need to object. 

    Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch, and its got to a point now where the ‘sheep’ in this is the productive citizen. The unproductive part of society is the majority who demand more than they give, and they will vote to take more of that distribution. 

  • LNSu

    I’ve been debating this with myself stay /go. I LOVE the noble underdog idea heck that is what America is overcomers however, this is not an American battle this is a 1 world governement take over. So that leaves the ? where to go? that is the question to ask where to go Europe is as far gone (actually worse) than us, then run down the list of Commie countries x out the Muslim controlled places (women that are not married would not be allowed to live there forget my religion). I do have a  few thoughts in mind. Too many like over 98% have no clue what is reality and live happily in the delusion, even the founding fathers had 30% on there side. Wonder what others think here. Thanks much for the article.

  • Kreditanstalt

    I’d say most people will “stay and wait”.  Some will ”stay and endure”, or “stay and passively resist”.

    Like all empires, the present U.S. on will go bankrupt.  Probably much of the western world will do so.  It will be gradual, it will be pernicious but it is certain.  They will have trouble paying their soldiers, their police, their praetorians and their retainers.  They will have plenty of MONEY, but less and less purchasing power.

    And you’ll see default by any other name: inflation, higher bond yields, seizures of money, exchange controls, persistent structural unemployment, prograam cuts, cuts to payouts. 

    Things will break down slowly but surely…  

  • Gil

    The real question is “what will happen if you stay and do all that government asks of you as it becomes more and more oppressive?”  If the best you can hope for is to become a modern day serf then you’ll either have to stay and fight (and die) or get out of the country while you still have the chance.  The Jews who stayed and hoped for the best died.  It was the Jews who could see what the Nazis were doing and emigrated were the ones to survive.

  • http://www.facebook.com/averroesr Averroes Ibn Rushd

    The Soviet Union collapsed without any fighting… and people who were prepared and willing to adapt made fortunes providing desperately needed goods and services in the void of the post-communist devastation.  In less than ten years the nearly starving country became reasonably livable.

    America is in a much better position to survive collapse of the US – there’s infrastructure, production is private, people own homes, farms, and companies.  Collapse of US will remove that 40-50% burden from the producers, which will, no doubt, cause the huge economic boom – which will last until the state governments gain enough power to smother it again – which may be decades.

  • Braveheart

    Go run and hide, pussy!!! ZOGs days are numbered!

  • http://twitter.com/filip_rabuzin Filip Rabuzin

    Simon I think this is a great article and the analogy with the credit card is pretty good and makes perfect logical sense. For people such as myself this is a no brainer, you’re preaching to the converted. However for those who have “chosen to fight”, I would advise you take a different approach as no amount of logic is going to make sense of what is inherently an emotional issue.

    That emotional issue goes to the core of each of our identities as human beings. Where we belong, how we belong, why we do what do and how we do it. As I read somewhere recently in relation to an Aki Kaurismaki film titled “The Man Without a Past” – “the identity of each of us derives from our place in a community of people”. That I believe is probably the most important reason people choose to stay and fight. To preserve their community and in effect their own identity at that particular point in time.

    Off the top of my head make these individuals believe the following and you might have a chance
    1. Their “community” is much bigger than they think
    2. Their identity is much more open and adaptable to change than they think
    3. When the shitstorm does hit not much of a community is likely to exist

    These are all however very emotional, irrational and illogical issues. One cannot really just talk about them to change, in some ways an individual must experience the change in someway. Forgive me for presuming that that might actually be a stretch for most non-foreign travelling Americans.

  • jimmythekid

    But where to go?  Is it really going to be different ‘over there’ for the long term.  If/when Americana comes crashing down, can we truly believe there is safe haven?  How about an insurgency?

  • Law_self_help

    We are not being oppressed by the Government but rather by the super rich ruling class for which the government only fronts. To fight it is quite possible: the techniques of non-violent color revolutions/regime change have been well developed by Dr Gene Sharp and some of his works are posted online, others can be bought at any bookstore or use your library to get them. It worked
    in so many highly oppressive regimes, why would not it work in the increasingly dysfunctional Obamastan?? Do your homework Mr Black!  

  • Ursa

    The point no one seems to make is that the majority of people cannot run away. They have neither the funds nor the the know-how to survive, never mind prosper, on foreign soil.

    Another point is that the government is not as faceless as it appears, nor as monolithic as it’s often depicted. It can be fought and has been fought successfully by many, from determined solo crusaders to community groups.

    As Donal mentioned in his post, self-sufficiency and locality movements are growing in force and successfully undermine state institutions. Non-violent opposition is often the most effective.

    Many of us believe that the coercive regimes now prevalent in the West are unsustainable in the long run and perhaps even in the short run. It is a matter of planning and building alternative institutions that will survive the upcoming turmoil and lay the foundations for a better future.

  • Jfsampson

    Simon,
    I agree there is no identifiable, single “enemy” to fight. The war between collectivism and Liberty is being fought right now, even as I write. It is being fought in the hearts and minds of people, not in the street. And the present tyranny is on its last legs, a victim of its own internal contradictions and violation of the laws of economic reality. We don’t have to have a revolution in the traditional sense to bring the present system down. It is imploding, not only in the United State but all over the world. The only real question is what comes afterward. If people, once freed from the tyranny of (civil) government, begin to ask what they shall replace it with, it will be like people observing that the torture chamber has been destroyed and then asking what to replace it with. Well, the torture chamber is an illegitimate institution, just like (civil) government. When we are finally rid of both of these evil institutions, we should celebrate our deliverance and replace them with NOTHING. If humanity replaces the failing nation-states all over the earth with supposedly “reformed” nation-states, mankind will begin the long, dreary descent into barbarism and depravity again. The only “solution” to the question of how mankind is to interact in a totally satisfactory way is true self-government, free market capitalism, autarchy, or whatever you choose to call an authentic system of respect for persons, property, and Liberty.

    Just my two cents worth. That being the case, there is no real place to escape. We lovers of Liberty must continue to fight the war for hearts and minds wherever we happen to find ourselves, and with whatever tools the Creator has given us.

    In Liberty,

    John Sampson

  • Dirk

    Hi Simon, what your daily notes from the field do for my mind is exactly the same as what a shower in the morning does for my body: an essential blast of refreshment.
    One thing in today’s post did catch my attention more than usual: you mention Belgium as one of the potential countries where PIGS-style conflicts are bound to spread to next. Since Belgium is my home base (between global business trips) I find this quite an interesting general assumption when looked upon from outside (what with all the bickering between Flemish and Walloon political bigmouths) but I do feel compelled to share a more nuanced view from the inside.
    Belgium is divided into 3 semi-autonomous regions a bit like Germany’s Länder: Flanders (Dutch-speakers), Wallonia (French-speakers) and Brussels (bilingual). Lots of people mix it all up, as in ‘it’s already that small, why divide it up even more’, right? The point most outsiders miss however is that: Flemings overwhelmingly embrace a Germanic-mentality liberal-enterpreneurial spirit, whereas
    Wallonia is just as overwhelmingly syndicalist/statist/socialist minded.
    Brussels, being Belgium’s and Europe’s lobbying capital, is basically a “let’s keep it all together” socialist bastion because this city-region’s economy is mainly based (beside tourism) on tax money royally spent by Belgian federal bureaucrats and by legions of Eurocrats , plus those working for other international institutions like NATO, most of them on huge expense accounts.
    Taking away the 1-million “Brusseleirs”, a remarkable statistic shows up:
    Flemings form the main population (55%) in this country but their impact on the national GDP and export figures is (depending on the statistics) between 70 and 80%, with just 6.8% unemployment and 60-70% private sector employment.
    Walloons, with their 40% of population, count for just 20% of the income-creation… while 14% (in certain cities 30)% of the population is on the dole while over 50% are state-employed.
    Conclusions:
    - within Belgium there is a big cultural, linguistic, political and economic divide 
    - the latest elections (over a year ago) have reflected this divide in ever more painful terms and the main winners from the North (Regionalists and Liberal Conservatives) and South (Socialists) have failed to even get close to a deal about forming a national government, while the regional goverments in either part are humming along regardlessly
    - a split of the two main parts (Flanders and Wallonia) is for the first time in its history thinkable and debatable by the mainstream population, if not imminent
    - if Belgium were to split up into an independent Flanders and Wallonia and Brussels, the latter two with their South European tax-and-spend mentality and uninspiring economic outlook will most probably come under close scrutiny from international investors
    -  Flanders however, were it to become independent, is very likely to crawl out of its cage as an economic lion of 6 to 7 million strong, competing nicely along other SME nations like for example the Netherlands.

  • Srsr

    Ok,  I’ll leave.  Now, with only $10K to my name what country will take me and give me citizenship? Leaving is an option only for the rich and those that promote “leaving” seek to make money off of those that want to.  The reality is if you’re single it’s a heck of a lot easier to leave than if you have a family.  And what if you have a lot of possessions?

    The situation now in the world isn’t like the 1930′s.  You just can’t find some country willing to take you that is relatively free like the US was back then.

    What country to go to?  Paraquay?  What a crappy looking place that is!  You could be neighbours with Bush!  Costa Rica?  That’s the retirement home of the CIA.  Panama?  Another US client.  Argentina?  Brazil?  What a freak show that place is.  This is getting ridiculous.

     Tell us what country allows you to be anything other than a slave living in some city?!  Oh, “great night life”….wow, exactly what someone needs- living in a bar.  How about all of the poor people you’re going to meet?  They’d LOVE to rob you (they gotta earn some money somehow).

    People that promote “leaving” ought to be more realistic and practical rather than providing some sort of nonsense about “leaving”. 

    Where to go?  (yes, yes, I know- “only you can decide that”)

    How to get quick citizenship in some other country?  (surely there has to be a fast and cheap way to get citizenship in some other country (Nevis isn’t one of them)

    What’s it going to cost? (everything you own plus 10%)

    How fast can I dump US citizenship?  Oh, sure, just show up at your friendly local US embassy, fill out the “get out of jail” paperwork, turn in your passport and you’re free!!!  Bankers in foreign countries will love you!!  They’ll greet you like a long lost friend to get your money.

    I’m sick and tired of these cheerleaders encouraging people to leave but never being plain about how much it’ll cost, what you’re not going to have and where to relocate to. 

     The bottom line is this- this is a crappy world.  There is no Peace on Earth.  You’ll exchange one pain in the neck for another if you leave.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Corbett-Coburn/1274149952 Corbett Coburn

      I too have noticed that these websites that talk about leaving the US all seem to be trying to sell million+ dollar mansions. 

      I haven’t run across a single one of them that is even remotely designed for someone in the middle class — much less those who are struggling to make ends meet.

  • Anonymous

    Just in case anyone forgot, things can devolve rather quickly into anarchy and street justice.  A visual reminder of 1992 LA riots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L5ttIHV12s&feature=related

    Go ahead, convince yourself that it won’t be like that here, now. I won’t. I will recognize the world for what it is, and what it will be.

  • Rswallick

    seems to me, the whole world is going to choke to a calapse or pause. 
    not having the resourses to move, i feel the best way to fight, no
    matter where you live, is to become independent, plant a
    permaculture/forest garden abound your house, grow bean sprouts in
    kitchen sink, learn about local edible weeds, get a few chickens and DO
    NOT USE THE USELESS RULERS PRODUCTS EVER! get out of debt and do not go
    their again.

  • Nick

    Civil disobedience and peaceful noncooperation is the method for winning at home.

  • Mike N

    You are so right that the battle is one of ideas. If the tea parties confine themselves to just fighting consequences, without identifying their causes, they will be fighting an enemy they can’t see. If you can’t see your enemy you can’t defeat him. The TPs may win a battle now and then but they are doomed to lose the war. 

    The enemy is false philosophical principles. In education, the enemy is progressive education. In economics it is Keynesianism. In science it is the hypothetical-deductive method. In medicine and politics it is the social theory where the individual matters not. In morality, it’s a false idea of selfishness. Dominating all of these is the epistemology or method of thinking called pragmatism which is an unprincipled, shoot-from-the-hip kind of practicality which ignores long range consequences, even short range ones.

    This is where the battle has to be fought, the battlefield of ideas. I tend to think that being prepared to both stay and flee is a good idea. But I also think that if no one stays to fight, then this country is lost.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Corbett-Coburn/1274149952 Corbett Coburn

    And yet the Poles brought down the communist government, the Berlin Wall was destroyed by the people of East Germany & the Soviet Union collapsed. 

    The Author preaches the insatiable appetite of the state, but then says you can run away.  To where?  Last time I checked, there were no other worlds open for immigration.  And surely the object of government is complete domination of this world.

    Basically, there is nowhere to run to.  We may run today.  We may live in peace in some foreign country for a season.  But sooner or later, the government we ran from will be at our doors again.

    If the Eastern Europeans and Russians can bring down their tyrannical governments, so can we.  This is especially true since western governments will be handicapped by lack of funds.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Corbett-Coburn/1274149952 Corbett Coburn

    Remember that the Soviet empire fell because people who stayed put up resistance. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BYAX63V3BO7NSP6FDLJB5P3SGE IntrepidJohn

    Fight or flight? That is the question..Well, for starters there are absolutely no guarantees that a chosen “safe haven” would not fall on its knees in supplication to an emerging overlord. That is, if the new “overlord” prevails and the peoples fall. 
    Sometimes, an exit strategy is a better choice than staying and fighting, such as in example of Nazi Germany, when Jews that were wise have fled and those that didn’t, ended up hunted down and dead. But that was over 70 years ago and this day and age it is drastically different. 
    The problem is that leaving for another country WILL NOT LEAVE YOU UNAFFECTED by what’s going in the world today, unless its some really distant island in the middle of the Pacific and even then..
    Many don’t have an option or a second passport to bail out. So staying and helping the cause of throwing the bums out might be the best idea. All depends on individual circumstances and CONNECTIONS, CONNECTIONS, CONNECTIONS..

  • Stranger

    I must disagree that the state is a faceless bureaucracy and cannot be fought. By its nature the state cultivates its invulnerability, because that is the only way one can have power over a man. But every state agent can be made vulnerable to retaliation. They all have homes, families, careers to protect, and they can all be fought individually. If nothing is done to punish them for violating our rights, they will of course continue to do so in increasing violence.

    An equilibrium can be restored and a country liberated if a proper strategy to fight the state back to an equal is attempted. This means creating very focused fighting organizations that fight from the shadows, not from the streets.

  • The Equalizer

    Simon; It would have to be a two-pronged fight.
       
        1) guerilla warfare (hit and run)against identifiable govt. agents, e.g. police, etc. and
        2) systematic, surgical, targeted assassinations against known leaders, both civilian and military (command and control). This would also include high-profile MSM personalities, journalists and talk-radio hosts who were openly supporting the enemy because they inevitably shape public opinion.

      “Better to die standing on your feet shooting back, than to live on your knees as a slave.”
       

  • gleongelpi

    Actually, I just got rid of the credit card, and told the to stuff it. In other words: left them holding the debt. It has been years, and they have tried to sue me, etc to no avail. So, how does my credit card experience rate in this comparison?

    • guest

      Good, now take it a step further and everyone stop filing income taxes. I did a long time ago and never have to do anything but answer letters. If we all show them we are not going to take it, they will change(the politicians). Of course, they will see the light and try a new way to BS us but like you did, leave them the debt and tell them adios. I only see a small amount of law enforcement on the side of big brother. Most will stay home.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4Z3EK456SUNFSW43FM5RPTCVOI Robert F

    In some ways I agree with the author. The level of violence and harm that would be neccessary to physically overthrow the US/World Government movement will be immense. There are a lot of guns out there,…..owned by fat, out-of-shape, emotionally driven idiots who will never organize or stand and fight, once the battle begins.

    But the writer said that no one had written to him or explained how to gain greater control over our current government, or even a ”new” type of control over our government,…or even how a completely new government itself would be possible.

    Try this….

    - Presuming that the “powers that be” are not going to “show themselves” and simply become openly brutal, we must proceed along the lines of reasonable political response, untill we can gain control of the judicial/governmental functions and prosecute under a legitimate court system.

    - A constitutional convention movement, in conjuntion with a legitimate, widespread impeachment movement will be neccessary.

    The American People will need to approve, state-by-state, a national movement of re-dedication to our founding principles, while at the same time allowing the US Public, through their state’s 
    convention representative to be represented in the founding of a new America.

     (aprox. 1500 Americans sent to DC for a five year term, designed to write and contruct a new Constitution that address 21st Century needs in America.)

    Whether it be war, economy or societal ethics, we need to redefine the documents that we claim to cherish and to impose harsh, new standards on government agents, operators and leadership, i.e. no personal immunity for actions, harsh, mandatory prison terms for guilty-as-charged corrupt politians.

    - The convention will appoint a committee of transparency, opening the records and history of the US Governemnt for all to read and research. All of it, all of the lies, the thieving, the unconstituional roles that our corrupt government has taken, for at least the last 50 years, if not all the way back to 1776. (i.e. illegal income tax, etc.)

    - Just as in South Africa, a reconcilliation committee to manage the anger, fury and hatred that will emerge from these actions. I do not believe in blanket immunity, but if you want to identify the wrong-doing and move ahead to a better, truely free future, we may have to consider some such thing.

    - However, for the upper-tier war-criminals, I think having them contemplate their personal “Saddam Hueissen” hanging moment would be priceless.

    …beyond that, we continue until the mess falls off the cliff, or, we simply set a personal line, a standard that you yourself have decided will not be crossed,…then take action. This wll result in a lot of vengeful killing and the complete breakdown of the society we knew. When folks start setting that line, you will see the killing jump dramatically.

    Regards,

    RJ O’Guillory

    • Anonymous

      A Constitutional convention is a no no. If a Constitutional Convention happens with these lying anti-Liberty anti-Constitutional ROGUE Congressmen and women the Constitution will be rewritten within that convention and it surely will not be in your favor.

      What we have is simple, a ROGUE government not abiding by the governing rule of law. Get back to the Constitution that is the supreme law within The United States and this Country is back to growth, prosperity and LIBERTY.

      Simply put, ” OBEY THE CONSTITUTION! “ 

  • WSmith

    Do you folks watch the news?  If they’re not showing the riots in the streets of Greece on TV, they are certainly available on the net.

    Fight the Powers That Be by taking to the streets — there are 311,585,927 people in America at this moment — about 2,376,871 are in the military, another 2,000,00 or so federal workers, and 800,000 policemen and women.  That works out to 1.66% of the population controlling the other 98.3%

    It’s called social unrest, and no government can endure it for very long.

    I am not suggesting violence — I’m suggesting strikes and hoping for an outcome something like what happened in Poland ala Walenska (minus the unions) and praying we can keep the lid on.

    I’m a US citizen living abroad (but paying US taxes, big time) , for many years now.  I ardently love the country where I grew up — sadly, that country just doesn’t exist any more.  Here’s a quote from Charles Hugh Smith that says it beautifully:

    “Despite their many differences, the economies of China and the U.S. share a number of key traits:
    both are corrupt, rigged, crony-Capitalist, rely on phony statistics
    and propaganda and operate with two sets of rules: one for the Elites,
    and another for the masses.”

    It is time to follow Jefferson’s advice and dismantle the corrupt sewer our country has become.  A leader will emerge — let’s hope he’s not another Hitler — but even that would be better than what exists today (I know, I know, my Jewish friends and millions of their Jewish friends would vehemently disagree — I am no admirer of the psychotic little corporal) — my point is that the only way to effect change of the sort being discussed here is via social upheaval — and we will never know how that will wind up until we get there — the first American Revolutionaries faced exactly the same uncertainty.

    So, who has the cojones? If you get it rolling, I will do something I never imagined — I will return to the US and proudly join the march.  Even though I can hardly walk.

     

  • Al Sledge

    A word of caution to anyone who advocates and posts any violent solution using a computer.  While you use cute “handles” such as FreedomFighterY2K, you are not anonymous. You are readily identifiable to the “powers-that-be”.  The IP address of the computer you are using is added to the address of your ISP and your message is sent to this website. Every message and address is recorded. THEY KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND WHERE YOU LIVE!  Like our phone system, every number you dial is recorded on a computer. For example if you call in a bomb threat from your cell or house phone they can quickly come and arrest you if they so chose.  Stop being idiots!  I assure you, those who have already posted threats or suggestions about shooting people are now on a database somewhere. You will not be removed.  Remember that “permanent record” your third grade teacher warned you about? This is it.  You might spread the word to help others.

    • WSmith

      To Al Sledge and everybody here who bitches about the government:

      Mr. Sledge’s instincts are on the right track, but he’s got the details wrong and the reality is much worse.  PLEASE visit:http://whattheinternetknowsaboutyou.com/andhttp://panopticlick.eff.org/To pick a couple of nits: . ISP addresses are not added to posters’ addresses — there’s no need to.  And not every message is saved — they don’t need to do that either.The websites listed above tell you how to protect your privacy.  I promise you will be startled by what you find there.  Forewarned is foreskinned.   

  • Al Sledge

    Moving out of the US is a temporary solution at best. As humans move toward a one world government, a move to another country is akin to moving from Nevada to Kansas to escape.  It may be better for awhile, but the only real escape is to move off-planet. I believe things will get very difficult in the US and most likely very violent.  The violence will come from both government and our fellow citizens as they lose their pensions, income, homes, and lastly their ability to feed themselves and their children.

    I see no way to fix the problem as the problem is systemic, i.e. a failed system.  The game will have to be reset.  I often ponder if this is by design. I believe the free market works, but we have managed to destroy the move toward that goal by laws and regulations in the quest for “a more perfect union”.

    I offer no solutions other than to help and protect our fellow man whenever we can, and this includes those “terrorist” Moslims the government keeps warning us about.  Any group has its bad apples, including the Muslims.  Many of our bad apples are voted into office.  Stop buying into the propaganda nonsense and think for yourself.

  • Law_self_help

    Very successful techniques of non-violent regime change/color revolutions very developed by Dr Gene Sharp. They have been successfully used in lots of countries, most recently in arab revolts.
    No question they would work fine in US. Here is a link to some information
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Sharp#Sharp.27s_influence_on_struggles_worldwide 

  • Vigilant

    Silly Simon. What do you do when your computer operating system gets hijacked by a malicious virus and no longer responds to your commands to stop the catastrophic damage? Simple, you pull the electrical plug, reboot from a floppy (or CD), and rebuild your operating system from scratch. No system can operate without electrical power.

    • USKiwi

      The only problem is that you cannot rebuild if the hardware is broken as well.  America’s hardware is its people and society which are both seriously broken on a number of levels.

      Time for a new computer not a reset.

  • M.D.K

    The question what can we actually do to fight back has begun to be
    answered by people such as Pastor and 2008 Constitutionalist
    Presidential candidate Chuck Baldwin.  He says, “It is time to pick a
    liberty loving state and circle the wagons around it.”  Our only hope
    is for the states to stand up to the unconstitutional monstrosity we
    call the federal government.  This is a Union of States that has laws
    which guarantee the rights of states.  The tenth amendment is just one
    of those.  The states are not at the mercy of the federal government. 
    Not if you adhere to the Constitution.  The states are to be controlled
    by “we the people.”  Any encroachment upon these guaranteed liberties
    are an encroachment upon the very liberties that God guarantees through
    the Constitution of the United States.  It is up to the states to make
    sure these laws are enforced through civil disobedience or if need be
    secession. 

    How do you fight back? Well, if the saying “the
    pen is mightier than the sword” has any legitimacy; you start by
    standing up for liberty on forums, blogs, and websites such as this. 
    People need to be educated.  Ignorance is why America is in the
    condition it is in.  For too long people have just gone along with life
    as they know it and been okay with the status quo.  Many Americans
    don’t know what the proper role of government is supposed to be.  That
    has to change in order for true hope to form.

    So how do you
    fight back? Share with friends, family, church family, and co-workers
    your thoughts of liberty and righteousness.  While not all people
    believe in God, most do.  I believe prayer and bible reading are
    another way to “fight back.”  God is much more powerful and much
    smarter than any money-hungry and power-hungry elitist in government. 
    God is in control.  Not man. 

    How else can you fight back? Do
    what Pastor Chuck Baldwin has done, pick a liberty loving state and
    circle your wagons around it.  Why should we leave our country just
    because of the tyranny of a few?  There are a lot more liberty loving
    people in America than there is liberty hating people.  As crappy as
    our country is becoming, this is still one of the greatest if not the
    greatest country to live in in the entire world.

    What other
    thing can you do to fight back? Stop voting for the lesser of two
    evils.  Vote for those that actually support and defend the
    Constitution period.  NO EXCEPTIONS! This one has been tough for me. 
    No one wants to feel like their vote is being thrown away.  But if we
    want change and true hope, this is what we must do. 

    What else
    can be done to fight back? Saint Augustine said, “An unjust law is no
    law at all.”  We have a duty and a responsibility to disobey laws that
    violate the Constitution of the United States.  God is our judge, not
    man.  At least, that is what I believe.  We must stand up for
    righteousness.  I don’t know a lot, but all I know is if we don’t put
    our foot down as Americans and say enough is enough, then things will
    stay the same and perhaps even get worse.

    I believe there are
    more liberty loving and God fearing Americans in this country than
    enemies of liberty and God.  It is up to us to act.  What will you do
    with you and your family?

  • echokilo

     Scott,

    Please read Frank Brady comment below. I agree, and that was and is my point, – that the good news is, – TPTB won’t succeed building the one world government (thanks god!), but in the mean time, they have collapsed America, and it is this already ongoing collapse that I don’t want to participate in!
    Like roddy6667 says: fighting is for cannon fodder.

  • G.A.

    I don’t know why.

    I’ve been dreaming about something like that. Like the America I believed to exist when I immigrated here. Somewhere to make a stand. I would be all for it. No one wants to do it, and I conclude that may-be only a few people are left in the world that would like to live an honest life based on freedom and non-violence.

    I’ve been thinking about that and it seems that such a community would 1) hard to organize because everyone has different ideas, and 2) will degrade rapidly because the children is our blessing and therefore our curse. This means that the membership can not be inherited, – how many would agree to that?

  • Vlad Tepid

    I’ve already left.  Hitler let anyone and everyone leave up through the outbreak of war.  One only had to be willing to part with their possessions. I’m ahead on both counts.  Possessions offshore – self and family removed.  Have fun with your rebellion against junior members of your former “fidelis.”

  • Al Sledge

    Actually there is an attempt underway to due exactly what you are talking about, but at a state level.  It is called The Free State Project, and the state they settled on some 10 to 15 years ago is New Hampshire. If I were younger I might consider going myself, but my health is failing.  My spirit and prayers are with them.  Take a look at their website at freestateproject.org for info.  Some years ago I had some early email correspondance with a young man named Jason Sorens.  Jason came up with the free state project idea when still in school and wrote an article about it. I did not think the idea would fly, and I explained my reasoning at the time. But I was wrong.

  • Michael

    Possible. So, say I like my welfare, and I vote accordingly, now what? My vote is as good as yours. Go back to work and pay some taxes!

  • clark

    Dear JARHEADMF, et al
       
    Historically speaking, fighting is not realistic and the minority have Not always been game-changers throughout history, here’s an example:

    The American Revolution as a People’s War
    July 1, 1976
    William F. Marina
    Reason

    “Was the American Revolution, for example, a people’s war? Last year in an article in REASON (June 1975), I pointed out that the widespread idea that it was a minority movement is based on a misreading of a letter from John Adams to James Lloyd, dated January 1813, located in volume 10 of Adam’s Works. A close reading makes it clear that Adams was discussing American opinion about the French Revolution in the 1790’s when he wrote of a third being for the Revolution, a third against it, and a third “lukewarm.”

    … A very large number of intellectuals apparently find something very appealing in the notion that social change is caused by a minority…

    In any successful revolution, however, the key factor is the shift in values that takes place long before any fighting, and it was that process to which John Adams referred when he said that “the revolution was in the mind and hearts of the people and in the union of the colonies, both of which were accomplished before hostilities commenced.”…”

    http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1485

    There’s a lot of really good insight in that article, I strongly suggest you read the rest, in doing so you will learn that more than 3 of 100 participated in fighting in the revolutionary war.
    Many People like G3K762 would do well to read it too.

  • Diogenes_

    re:  Fuck the NSA. I don’t even hve a credit card. Haven’t banked in 20+
    years. Use csh, gold, silver, barter. Money orders for bills. Track
    that.

     ”Select * from american_males where age>40 and credit_card=’none’ and bank=’none’ and military_service=’usmc’ and money_orders_purchased>50 and last_bank_transaction_year<1991"

  • USKiwi

    Yup I am a United States Military Academy grad and an expat.  Just like Simon Black, the author of this article and website.  Must have been something in the water in Lusk.

    How’s the cow?

  • http://ni4d.us jpritikin

    I am totally sympathetic to your posting. However, you wrote: “Of all the hundreds of similar notes we’ve received from people who claim they are going to ‘stay and fight’, I am still waiting for one… just one single email… from someone telling me exactly how they plan on doing that.” Well, I propose https://sites.google.com/site/justiceplat4m/

    So there, you have at least one proposal on how to fix the system.

  • http://twitter.com/j1z0 jeremy johnson

    Well there is a third option.  Create something new right where you live.  Go off the grid.  Create and use exclusively local or internet currencies.  This of course requires that you are able to find the support of other like minded individuals but it is being done with limited degree’s of success across the globe.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UBK7WTNF6T7K36APCDBXJN464M crystals 10

    Simon:     
    Well, you have a great offer for those who have that option.  Unfortunately, I do not.  I have two special needs children, and I know one of them can’t fly for sure…  I agree that there is NO way to stay here and fight, however; I do believe through serious prayer, and fasting that our answer will come. We MUST have God with us, then we may be able to win. A rational, clear thinking mind must be used. General Butler, known for his heroism of stopping these fascists after WWII is what we need now. I realize as “the chalice did not pass over Jesus”, it may not be the Will of God to save America either. I have no choice but to stay and fight for God and my Fellow Man, but not through violence or civil unrest. We Americans must band together to find a legal loop-hole… if you will, or concrete evidence on this “master-of-puppets”. To those of us who can’t leave, it is Our Duty to do everything in our power to call out this corrupt, illegal, fraudulent, and out-of-control government that has hood-winked the American people. I will call for a Citizens Grand Jury Indictment against not only the President but, the Senate, the House, all branches i.e., Judicial, Legislative, Executive, and to include all Local, and State offices as well.  I am ready for America to close her borders, stop imports, and go back to a simple life. Technology has become evil, and I can live without it. Sometimes I wish I were Amish !  I am “old school” Simon, and I am not afraid to stand up for what I believe. I would like to thank you for all of your hard work. You will help many people find an alternative to survive, and that is quite noble. Good luck, and Godspeed to all of us…..

  • imanonutjob

    who cares?! not me . the enviroment is going to be more hostile to us than any government action. the solar flares we got coming to us in 2012 will put us back a few hundred yrs. and not just in one region or country, but world wide.. not even first world armies or police will have defence against it. To be honest, it would be better to die than try to live in the “next world”. to those who want to live in it,well go for it I guess, it’s not really a standard of living I want to maintain…….

  • Mtthreat

    Here’s a possible revolutionary act.  Stop all discretionary spending.  Buy nothing you don’t absolutely need.  The economy will grind to a halt, tax reciepts will dry up, and the political class will have to either reveal themselves as thieving thugs or wither on the vine.  Go on a spending strike America!!!

    • Anonymous

      Go one better – STOP PAYING YOUR TAXES. Just refuse to file a return.

  • Bill Porter

    Pure cynicism in its ‘this or that’- ‘either/ or’ mentality. I bet King George’s stooges [you know- the Tories, the people who founded Canada] made the same argument.
    Power inevitably has a face in the form of its various police and military forces [the members of which are drawn from the citizenry]. It is always an open question as to whether or not training and discipline will trump the ties of common humanity to family and freinds when the collision comes.
    Cynical elitists [usually harboring less than savory ulterior motives] will bet on the attack dogs’ fielty to their masters; those of us inhabiting the real world [ask the Egyptians about it] know there are alternative outcomes to every scenario.
     

  • Tom

    Here’s a few to start your thinking ; what good is your American money anywhere else when things finally do go wrong ?? Who do you trust when you are  carrying gold or silver ect..?? The point is if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. Under conditions described above, international chaos, you have no place to go, or did you forget you are the ugly American. Remind them[ govt] everyday they live with us not us with them. Many things you can do except live with yourself if you are a coward. You would not last a day overseas and you know it. The worst thing you can do is listen to people who write articles like this one. Keep the pressure on and you will win . With out ‘you’ this place does not run. Exercise all rights especially 2nd amendment rights, broadcast and report all govt corruption. Help you neighbor – he will help you. Never get even. Get ahead and stay ahead. Remember each state of the Union is a sovereign state. The ‘fed’ breaks down the state governments are still state governments. They are much more afraid of each of you then you think. Do not run.

    • Anonymous

      While I admire you, I don’t have faith that the vast number of American people will turn off their TV’s, get up off their couches, and go out and do something. It’s just not going to happen. We are over run with illegals and poor immigrants that will keep voting for whomever promises them mo money mo money. We have unions in the mix and we saw them bring in the vote for Reid in Nevada. We have big big money going into these campaigns for a mere $155,000 a year job so what’s up with that? Sorry, I’m not running but I am stocking up on food, growing my own garden, raising a couple of beef cattle and hording my guns and ammo.

      As for us not being able to live somewhere else, that’s absurd. If I an be self-sufficient here, I can make it most anywhere else using the same ideas.

  • http://twitter.com/ArticlesEzines Articles Ezines

    Simon, I really appreciate the benefit of your experience and your expertise. I have purchased many of your books on the multi-flag approach.

    I bought “The Tips and Traps of Going Global” which I particularly enjoyed when I read it back in 1995. Your ideas are definitely coming of age so to speak.

    Please share with those of us who cannot part with $300 dollars for a membership, “What countries will be least affected by the collapse or hyper-inflation of the U.S. Dollar.

    I have an aged Mother and getting her to a safe locale most likely “at the last minute” could very well happen.

    I am clueless as to where this “safe house” should be. Can you offer some specifics to the various solutions?

  • Anonymous

    It’s not government that is the problem but corporatism.  Governments are just the ‘non-profit’ variant of these faceless, eternal organizations.  Like any living organism, their number one objective is survival; if necessary, they will even sacrifice parts of their own organization (even ‘bosses’) in order to survive.  Over a hundred years ago, many people were aware of the danger of for-profit corporations & limited their activities & even existence terms through charters.  We have forgotten this need to control cancerous organizations within our larger societies.

    • Anonymous

      It is government that’s the problem. They pass the laws, allow the lobbyists in the doors and pander to people like George Soros. If we had honest people in government we would never have opened the doors to these bottom feeders. Look at the current administration and see how many Czrs and higher ups were associated with Goldman Sachs, then look at Goldman Sachs and see how many ex-government people are back there.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VGSGA5SDD2TCZRI5QPHJHLINRA Paul

    “Stay and fight”: Is this realistic?”

    Only for people equipped with a brass set of BALLZ.

    Like the TALIBAN for example, who despite being COMPLETELY out-gunned and out-financed, have nevertheless managed to kick American azz like nobody’s business. Gotta LOVE ‘em!

  • Mark

    I may just be a simple country boy but I believe the police are funded by the taxpayer, if we are shooting at each other my assumption is I for one will stop paying taxes, ie taking away their armor. Our police and military are great only because the US taxpayer has been great. All the fancy toys in the world want matter without funding. 

    Also just another note, were we not out gunned my the British?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VGSGA5SDD2TCZRI5QPHJHLINRA Paul

      Boo-hoo. WHO CARES if you stop paying your taxes? That tactic could only work if your government operated within a constricted & pre-defined BUDGET. YOU on the other hand live in a country that PRINTS money out of nowhere, raises its own debt ceiling as needed and even buys up its OWN DEBT!

  • Mark

    Simon love your articles, think this one falls short. See my comment

  • Gloomy

    One question -
    What happened to the President Clinton Budget Surplus???
    Don’t blame President Obama.  He took the helm of as sinking ship.  The deficits you attribute to him are the consequences of the economy when he took office.

    • Anonymous

      Sigh…. Clinton did not leave a surplus. He claimed a surplus by counting income from the Social Security Trust Fund, something no other President has done. The first day Bush took office the deficit was $17.9 BILLION (without SS funds counted). The first full year of Bush’s term he was also under a Clinton signed budget which left the deficit at $133 BILLION. Even with the two wars, the deficit was coming down until that last two years of Bush’s term when the Democrats took over and started spending spending spending. Of course, I do blame Bush for not vetoing all these budgets so he’s not entirely faultless.

      The above can be verified on the US Treasury’s own website, but hey, you can’t possibly do much research into the truth of thing judging by your post.

      I do blame Obama for a lot of things. The stimulus is not working and went to companies that were poorly run in the first place. GM still owes us a few BILLION and they just dedicated a new $135 MILLION engine plant in Mexico. The banks are still being bailed out and of the top 20 banks that the Feds were bailing out, 12 were foreign owned banks that immediately transferred the money to their home banks. REAL unemployment is about 22% and inflation is around 9.8% right now. I could go on, but heck you won’t believe anyway.

  • Paidsub

    There are ways to stay and survive and they are not difficult to find or to do.  You obviously have not looked in the right places.  Plus when I searched the world over, I simply could not find a place that in reality could become the place that could be said of:  there is no place like home. 

    Never do I want to be the stranger in any land.  My home is here and I will keep it here.  I have done the research. 

  • Jack

    How did the British control millions of people around the globe inside their Empire? It was easy. It was in those people’s interests to belong to the Empire, so they did so willingly. Occasionally some gobby little self important troublemaker would kick up a fuss and need to be slapped down into his place, but by and large there was compliance with the established order. Why did the British Empire disintegrate? Because at the end of WWII the UK was bankrupt. Who wants to belong to an economic system with a bankrupt in control? It’s no longer in the people’s interest to do so, so they stop doing so. When the US goes bankrupt, it will stop being in the populations interest to work with the existing power structure and then the people will back and  follow the gobby little self important troublemakers who will take over power and change things.

  • Anonymous

    Most all of the Democratic party and some of the Republicans have been bought by George Soros and his many organizations. Then add in all the participants in the Bilderberg group and you have the perfect storm to bring this country down.

  • Anonymous

    It all started before Eisenhower. It started with the Federal Reserve, the single most damaging entity we have in our country.

  • Anonymous

    Actually all the trade agreement were floating around before Bill, but he did sign them into law. Though I really didn’t like Bill and believe him personally responsible for the current economy, I do have to say that. What Clinton did do was sign for the repeal of Glass-Steagall and was the big cheer leader for Fair Housing. The Clinton’s are one of the most corrupt political family in the US yet people still would vote for them and still think Bill was great. That’s enough to tell me that the average citizen doesn’t have the intelligence to vote.

  • Anonymous

    You are wrong. Most Americans are sitting on their couches watching Dancing with the Stars, American Idol, The Voice and other mindless TV shows. They don’t have time to figure out what they would do if it all collapsed.

    As for moving out…. I have dual citizenship and don’t believe things are better in other countries either. So, I grow my veggies and some fruit, store food and water, have emergency supplies like solar charging stations, water filters, first aid kits and lighting. I have a couple of beef cattle and am thinking about a milk cow. I’m not heavily invested in gold, have a bit of silver and believe that I can use stuff to barter with better than I can use silver and gold to buy things with.

  • Anonymous

    So I spent a few days in Seattle with some friends. Had to watch mindless TV – Dancing with the Stars, CSI, The Voice, America’s Got Talent, etc. They haven’t time to think about their future or get out and try and change minds, they just work, eat and watch TV.

  • Diogenes

    If you’ve got the money to do an international relocation and the energy to learn news laws and languages (and don’t mind being the “foreigner”), then by all means, go for it. 

    But I’m retired and have both children and parents (too old to travel) in this country.  My solution was to leave a large, liberal coastal state for a little patch of land in a lightly populated county of a lightly populated inland border state that gave substantial support to Ron Paul and other libertarian candidates in recent elections. 

    Having lived in small towns before, I know that police are members of the community in small towns because there are not enough of them to get the “Blue Knight” mentality.  People are people, not caricatures.  Anyway, that’s my plan and it gives me an acceptable level of comfort.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VGSGA5SDD2TCZRI5QPHJHLINRA Paul

    God (IF He exists) is NOT in the business of helping WAR CRIMINALS, TORTURERS & FRAUDSTERS. As an American, YOU need to pray to the OTHER guy (also, IF he exists) who dwells in a bottomless pit of brimstone & ashes.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VGSGA5SDD2TCZRI5QPHJHLINRA Paul

    Good point! Once the Corporate Mob cements their control over the American population, they’ll start focusing their efforts on all those smaller, defenseless nations that have eluded their grasp thus far.

  • Abgasse

    Once all the paper currencies collapse, the welfare checks stop, the prisons are opened, and the shelves ransacked, all the obese, brain-dead Americans will BEG for a police state.  Political correctness will be the new “Nazi race law”.  But we are armed.  No fascist state in history has ever had to deal with well armed populace.  The thing to do is to network with like minded neighbors in order to survive and prosper.  

  • Mike

    If you run and America fails why do you think your host country is not likely to treat you badly when they see so many defenseless ex-patriots so easy to exploit?

  • Anonymous

    Interesting article that seems to use scare tactics to promote an ideology.
    Financial planning is or should be a number 1 priority for all people.  Such is not the case.  That being said when you look at the problems the rest of the world is having why would anyone want to go to those countries especially when many people there do not like Americans.

    Yes, it is a difficult fight to change a country politically.  We have seen it fail numerous times in Europe, South America, Philipines – one dictator after another – all the same really. But America has something they never had.  People have had freedom and we do have for the most part fair elections and no dictator (unless the current administration gets away with annulling presidential term limits which they have already proposed once).

    To survive and hopefully create change one must know the true facts about people and subjects.  Speak out and become active within groups that believe in the same rights.  Plan well personally for financial survival and most of all pray that the will of God will preserve the great country He blessed us with to begin with. 

  • The Equalizer
  • Ok_maybe

    Dear Amzoil, I like your comment, I do. I built a “retirement” house overseas during good times. I bought a beach property during the same period. –what I am experiencing now, after 12 months of unemployment, is that I don’t have resources to move to my own house. I think I’m not alone.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jay.twila Jay Twila

    The “spirit” of America isn’t the problem. It is the collectivist nature of the government that is the problem. Sadly, U.S. citizenship has become “toxic.” Sure, it’s still the “gold standard” to many non-Americans. But increasingly, a Canadian or Swiss passport is a far safer bet. I long for the days when our country had a stellar and pristine reputation around the world.

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