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What’s your breaking point?


You probably know the story of the boiling frog.

The premise is simple.  If a frog is placed in a pot of water that is already boiling, it will immediately sense danger and jump out, relatively unscathed. If it is placed in a pot of cool water, the frog will happily stay in the pot while it is slowly heated to a boil.  By the time the frog realizes the danger, it is too late.

The metaphor is used to describe how society is allowing itself to be slowly boiled– small changes that go unchallenged will lead to imminent danger.

History has seen plenty of examples– everyone always cites Nazi Germany or Rwanda, but there are countless others that don’t involve fascism or genocide.  I think today’s Argentina illustrates this point clearly.

After that country’s 2002 economic collapse, Argentina’s legislative assembly granted extraordinary power to the president on the grounds that unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures.

Seven years later, the president is still holding on to those powers, and usurping even more.  The federal government completely dominates Argentina’s economy, either directly through shareholder control, or indirectly through regulation.  Government sponsored thugs execute a mafia-like grassroots agenda, and now the government is seeking to limit the voice of what little free press remains.

The moral of Argentina’s story is simple: the greater the power given to the government, the less likely they will ever relinquish it.

In the United States, the growing tide of government power over the last decade has been equally disturbing.  Each passing bill– the USA PATRIOT Act, the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act, etc. raises the temperature in our collective pot of water by a few degrees.

One by one, some frogs are wising up and are starting to jump out

I find the recent morass to be especially boiling. The CFTC, under the spurious motive of protecting the people, has announced hearings to discuss limiting oil speculation… this is the first step in price controls, and methinks corn and wheat cannot be that far behind.

Further regulatory developments include a proposal coming from the FDIC to limit the size and scope of commercial banks. Comrade Bernanke has endorsed the idea, indicating that it is ‘legitimate’ to artificially restrict the growth and profitability of a private enterprise.

And now we have, within the last few days, the economic luminaries on Capitol Hill unveiling a special tax on the nation’s top earners to pay for the 1,000+ page health care bill… that no one has actually read.

Without even a cursory understanding of the bill, Congress is proposing to legislate the majority of Americans into health care by legislating a minority of Americans out of their wealth. Perhaps the ‘stimulus surtax’ will follow close behind.

Is it getting warm yet?

As a casual outsider who has checked out of the nation-state system, I find myself curiously peering inside from time to time wondering about that boiling point… what will it take for people to finally realize the peril that they are in?

It’s clear to me that subscribers to this letter are a cut above. You are a thinker who will keep working to improve your personal lot in life despite the foolish behavior of politicians.  But each of us has a breaking point… a point where we, like Howard Beale in the film Network (clip below), decide that we’re just not going to take it anymore.

What’s your breaking point?  I’d like to know.  Make your voice heard by commenting below.

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  • Albert

    Agree. But, for many of us, jumping is — or appears to be — very risky and difficult. You should write about the how, the cost and the place to, jump.

    • http://www.bucharestexpat.com Bucharest Expat

      I agree with this point 100%. I have a lot of American friends I have been trying to “convince” to make the jump (if one could call it a jump) to relocate overseas. They fear associated with moving abroad outweighs the pain and suffering they are going through in the States. Where’s the “magic button”?

  • HGHdoges

    I’m a retired farmer with, of course, no pension and precious little in the way of funds from, of course, having to sell the farm. No farmer–unless he/she is a doctor or a CEO–can escape that eventual forced sale. Why should I give a tinker’s dam about whether some rich guy can keep his millions? Reducing the gap between workers’ and management’s incomes seems to me imperative from any standpoint. The sooner the better. Say 95% tax on incomes over $250,000?

    • Don

      HGHdoges retardedly said this: Why should I give a tinker’s dam about whether some rich guy can keep his millions?

      Because in relation to me YOU are a rich guy and the gov’t should tax you at 95%.

      How in the he11 do people get this way?

      Full of envy and hate filled bitterness from their own failures in life.

      • ray

        if you dont like where you are headed you should take a fork in the road

    • raymond

      Why anyone else should give a ‘tinker’s dam’ about your inability to plan for your own future is the real question. Those who make over 250,000 should only keep 5%? Now it is clear why you have no money saved… your understanding of math, and the world in general, seems woefully inadequate.

  • http://www.InvestLetters.com Roger


    Was that you with family in Uruguay or was that Fitz?

    It’s much easier to be an international man when single, footloose and fancy free.


  • MattB

    Mr. Black,

    I believe I hit my breaking point about a half a dozen years ago. I was already quite aware of the massive corruption in both the executive and legislative branches of the FedGov. But then I read about some poor person (in Houston I believe) who was shafted by the courts. The case was completely winnable but because the opposition was a drug dealer of sorts backed by the Feds, this person couldn’t get a lawyer to touch it and had more than one judge reverse himself to toe the line. For some reason, the realization that there is not even any reason to have faith in justice in the U.S. pushed me into thinking of leaving.

    I’ve been slowly gathering information to make such a break someday (like when I retire or after my parents die). I’ve got the country picked out (originally it was Costa Rica (now too expensive), then Belize (too humid and hurricane bait), and now Panama) and I’ve had Mark Nestmann in mind as my first source to help me facilitate this move for several years (I hope your promotion of him doesn’t make it tougher for me to see him when the time comes!).

    Given Joel Skousen’s high probability that Russia will nuke us in the near future, or that martial law is not as unthinkable as it once was, or merely the even greater steps in removing my freedoms that are imminent (such as greater restrictions on getting my money out of the U.S.), I think my timeframe needs to slide to the left.

    Actually pulling the trigger, I can imagine, is a huge psychological/emotional hurdle that remains to be seen whether I can pull it off.

  • lawrence scharf

    Hello Simon,

    Thank you for your letter and the chance to share my thoughts.

    Currently in my 26th year as a Financial Advisor, I have clients in nearly every state, in many different walks of life. I can tell you that I have never received the overwhelmingly unsolicited negativity from clients regarding both social/political trends, as well as the financial mismanagement coming from Government as I have been recently. Generally, the older clients are more disgusted, concerned and afraid. Atlas Shrugged is often cited. Very few have spoken about possibly leaving.

    I see my ‘slice of America’ at an intellectual breaking point, but they (nor I) know what to do. Many have attended tea parties, are active forwarders of emails, yet if by breaking point you mean a call to arms (or protests/marches on the state), they are not (yet) there, possibly because they do not have a leader/organization to join. The time to lead such a movement seems right to me for the right person.

    As a student of financial history, my nose is in the air for the telltale whiffs.
    Meanwhile, the overwhelming public opinion is that it won’t happen here, and that everything will be ok.

    Personally, I cry on the inside everytime I reflect on the new powers of government in the USA and the control by those (bankers/Rothschilds) at the top of the food chain [realizing of course that someone will always be at the top]. But one must live, and if you are to enjoy this life, for me at least, don’t dwell on the dark powers.

    Thank you again for your work, and you do have permission to share comment.

    Best Regards,

    Lawrence Scharf, AAMS
    Senior Vice President, Investments

  • http://thepeacock.com/blog/4 Möpsi

    My breaking point will be when they try and brand me and my kids like cattle with a digital implant / debit card, which I expect will eventually be legislated globally, because it will be the only way to bail out all the global failing fiat currencies with a “pure” fiat currency — digital credits that expire after a few weeks of issuance, stripping away everyone’s ability to save. To me that’s the natural extension of the central banker’s current agenda of neo-feudalism, and they are only approaching the height of their powers. I expect them to “sell it” in conjunction with the abolition of the income tax, since it will become intrinsic or inherent in the new system, while they can pretend it is being abolished.

    I said as much to Peter Schiff recently. I probably made him “mad as hell”, because he thinks honest money can win in the end, whereas I think Doug Casey is closer to correct by explaining that the deck is stacked with “the pathocracy”, and it is in their nature to kill the host, because they just cannot see any further than that, due to their mental handicap.

    So, while my sister writes a letter to the UN to request the repeal of property taxes, I invest in self-sufficiency, and encourage others to do the same: a biodynamic farm, and fortified concrete walls for a nice hidden residence, so that you can live in peace while the cycle plays out.

    I recently read “Atlas Shrugged”, and there was such a place in that book as well. Not surprising… it is a necessary thing for people who have no place in the system, and who are currently severing their last ties with it, and who are about to take a little break from it until it is safe to return to normal life, as soon as the human and monetary capital is once again welcomed by the market and society, once the sharks are no longer circling in the parasite-infested waters.

  • Richard

    Simon, what do you mean by your comment “as a casual observer who has checked out of the nation-state system”? Because, as long as we’re still “citizens” of the US, then we’re still “slaves/chattel/serfs” (call it what you wish, but we’re mere property). And, as you likely know, if one simply “leaves the plantation”, then one is simply considered a “slave off the plantation” and can be returned to the plantation at any time they wish to bring the slave back. That’s because, if one is someone’s property, then one doesn’t have standing upon which to state a claim for which relief can be granted. So, one cannot simply run away from the problem and expect the problem to go away. A US citizen will continue to be responsible for the debt and taxes and the irresponsibility of their elected con-gress, as long as one continues to be a US citizen. So the solution is to throw the yoke of citizenship off of one’s back. But then, you can’t be an island without “belonging” to something, somewhere, otherwise you’ll be subject to whatever jurisdiction in which you’re found. So we too are fishing for the “solution to our citizenship”. Which takes me back to my original question, what do you mean by your comment describing yourself as “a casual observer who has checked out of the nation-state system”?

  • David S Brown

    This same question comes before me very often. My belief is that the people reading Simon Black are not the ones that will break first. We will be required to defend against out of control people who have not been Producers but just consumers. I am not speaking of the men and women of the working poor. I am referring to those who don’t make plans or preparations for anything. When they lack what they need they look around to take it from someone who has it.
    We are coming into the danger zone quickly. It is like the fog, traveling on little cat’s feet.
    I really appreciate your good and actionable information from many corners of this world. Keep it up.

  • William Riggs

    I think what Simon is referring to is that you may have a revenue stream coming to you that could just as easily go to a foreign corporation in several legal ways. One thing you must remember is that most of the taxes the government refers to are INCOME taxes. “Rich” people, especially the self employed, can take less income and push more revenue into either expenses paid to foreign corporations for services or goods or to assets for future growth. Perhaps your revenue stream is coming from capital or intellectual property rights that can be transfered to an offshore entity so it no longer comes to you. The entity now has the income and is responsible for taxes in the foreign country, if they have a tax (see UAE and others). The enitiy holds, invests and grows the accumulating revenue and at some future date, the entity can pay you but until that time you no longer have the income, so you no longer have the tax. Think of it like an unlimited IRA. You can also start a defined benefit pension plan if you have few or no employees that will allow you to legally push a ton of income into the plan to provide retirement benefits later in life. The older you are, the more money is needed to be able to provide the benefits. Sometimes, you can legally contribute to the plan more than half of your income.

    Any of these can reduce your INCOME, thus your tax. Perhaps your business should be stockpiling gold offshore for future use. Talk to your CPA or attorney to see what can work best for you, but start jumping soon!

  • Chris


    i live in Germany since 2001, and things do not look that good anymore. But the funny thing is no one seams to react … little by little it is getting worse …

    I would be intrested in knowing where to go, if you could comment please.

    To me it seams that all ? countries is in to QE, if you belive the news…

    So, you have to take care of your own lot best as you can. i once heard that one of the riches men in France pays only 1 Franc in taxes, as he has his accounters and lawyer do the trick for him … but i guess that you have to have some pocket money or connections to pull that of.

    Anyway, thank you for your view points and tips, you have a realy great publication

  • Jack Meligan

    NOW! I have been in contact with the lawyers I met at the Casey Conf in LV in March. They are standing by for my directions. I have ordered Nestman’s book, and am waiting to receive & review it before executing a planned move to Panama, as I don’t want to make any mistakes or have to do anything over.

    We have already been down and found where we want to live. Moving business entities and money is more of a concern.

  • CG

    Simon, I enjoy every missive you send and have to react to this one because it strikes a chord in me and I’m in full resonance.
    My boiling point? I reached it at age ten. No kidding. When my family members think of me, they remember the little boy who wanted to break free and become a world citizen, on board his plane, circumventing the globe. I have done just that and being married did not hold me back. But it all isn’t very surprising: after all as a European I was born in the boiling water…
    Comments such as those of HGHdoges above call for a strong reminder and as a European I am well-positioned to deliver one: if the inhabitants of the US&A (not really Americans for most of them) don’t get it and what the implications are of what is currently happening, then maybe they should look at Europe and ask themselves if this is really the kind of bullshit they want to swim in. And if it is, they should just as well get it good and hard. If 5000 years of history and the repeated disasters it is made of could not teach them, nothing will. Unless…we get more Simons out there.

  • zuil napa

    ron paul needs to find and tutor a younger version of himself, (if there is one) and start to promote his ideas via this person, besides himself, unfortunately ron cannot be elected, but this “new” person will.

    • allessa garrett

      Ron Paul has a son, named Rand Paul. (Interesting name, I think, considering Ayn Rand and all!)

  • zabogan gobiwotha

    I am broken, but not broke. My feelings of brokenness come from the slow realization over the last few years that almost everything I was taught is good about this country is either demonstrably false or has been corrupted beyond recognition. I am thoroughly disgusted at the incompetence of our leaders and the apathy of the sheeple. The situation makes one want to believe the conspiracy theories that abound. Rather than march against, I think I will march away. I have lived abroad and have many places and friends I am comfortable with, especially in Asia. Given the new prominence and power of the region I think I might like to be there again. Panama is definitely a good second in my view and I will be checking it out soon, but it seems more geared to retirees and folks who want to be near the US. Frankly, I have business to conduct yet, and I want to be in a dynamic region with many opportunities. No matter what, I want to be happy and in a position to fix my heart; broken from watching my beloved country self destruct under the weight of its own idiocy and hubris.
    Simon thank you for your work. I owe you many beers…

  • Howard Thompson


    I’ve reached my boiling point. That is why I currently own a building lot in Costa Rica. I plan to go there in the near future and rent a place to stay. If the current health care bill passes congress, then I’m out of here. I have had lots of surgery. The problem is that you are always a U.S. citizen. Ducking citizenship requires you to give up a lot (I don’t know if it is half of your net worth or $500,000.00, but it is very expensive). I am retired and most of my assets are in an IRA. My wife and I are very conservative, and are disgusted with most of what is happening on the congressional front.

    • karen

      I recently joined this group and am enjoying the emails. I too am concerned with what is happening in the US. I have been reading about various places that one might go, and like the idea of either Costa Rica or Panama. I would like to hear more about your experience if you have actually moved to Costa Rica. I agree it sounds like ducking citizenship sounds expensive. I also wonder if it is practical for a retiree who does not have lots of money aside from a US pension and some savings. It sounds like exploration of options can be expensive. the seminars cost a lot and seem to be offered with very short notice. It would be helpful to hear from others who are successfully making the transition, especially those who are retired.

  • Francesco

    Harry Schutz showed the way many years ago:
    1. leave the country were you were born and live in another suitable country.
    2. residence in another country.
    3. money in a third country.
    The advise seemed obvious, so I took it many years ago and never looked back. I enjoyed it even if it is not easy. Most difficulties are in the organization of the thing, that is much more complicated than what may appear at the beginning. There are however many advantages: you’ll know the world and enjoy it and you’ll survive personally and economically. You have a full right to fight for your survival. It is a jungle! But it is ok. There is fun in this total freedom. There are no lions around anymore, but the bloods and crips are an interesting animal. In Panama we have the “ninos asasinos” variety. But the bigger beasts are the various governments, like huge dinosauros devour everything they can touch. Is that bad? Not really. Just keep yourself far from them. After all the jungle is changing very fast lately. And I suspect our dinosaurs will find it harder to get enough food to keep themselves alive.

  • http://www.qwealthreport.com Peter Macfarlane (Q Wealth Report)

    Wow! I see just about all the usual excuses trotted out in these 13 comments! Why make it so complicated? If you are happy where you are fine. If not, do something about it!!!
    – Kids can move a lot more easily than adults because they don’t have so many preconceptions.
    – If you have farming skills you are better positioned than most of us to survive anywhere on the planet.
    – If you don’t have money, you can probably find somewhere much cheaper to live than where you are now, with much greater opportunity, so you will then have money!

    I don’t see any need at all to wait until you reach breaking point to do something. But I think the point Simon is trying to make is that it’s all about perception. Simon can and will empower individuals with tools and practical information. But I think what he is saying in this article is that it really has to come from inside YOU the individual.
    But then, maybe I’m biased as I checked out of the nation state system when I was a teenager…

  • http://N/A Bob

    If any of you have read Doug and now his younger disciple Simon you should already know what to do — act. I’m in my 40’s with a family and not of great wealth however I’m convinced “this is it.” There’s no turning back for the US to a day where freedom reigns — won’t happen. Einstein apparently said: Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” Actually I see a third thing and it is self-delusion. In this case it is the delusion that we’ll muddle through, that somehow it won’t be as bad as the Great Depression. Well, stop lying to yourselves because when you step back and take a look at the unbridled debaucery (The other night, Fox news was discussing Michael Jackson’s multi-colored pecker on prime-time news for crying out loud!), corruption and gluttony at all levels of society the US needs to collapse and be recreated to something else. Take the steps now to protect yourselves so you at least have options. All US-based everything means you have none.

  • Richard Verkley

    I would suggest everyone read this book the answer lies within one self.

    How I Found Freedom
    in an Unfree World
    Harry Browne

  • Tropical Freedom

    Boiled over last year. Visited Panama in Oct. moved here with 3 teenagers in Nov. It is getting close to Now or Never Time. Jump in the water is fine.

    • http://www.internationalman.com Smith

      Great comments today, everyone. I’d like to interview some of you who’ve actually taken the step of internationalizing yourself whether that be full expatriation or even just a relocation of assets and/or time.

      Real stories of real people would be quite inspirational to our readers.

      Let me know if you’re interested by posting a comment on the contact us page:

      Matt and Simon

  • Steven

    My personal breaking point? We’re almost there. What would get me heading for the exits are:
    1. Significantly more onerous capital controls such as currency restrictions, heavy investment regulation or outright bans.
    2. The mass registration, control or confiscation of guns. There is only one reason to do that and it demonstrably is not to protect the public.

    I’m sixty and retired. If I were younger, I’d already be in another country where business is encouraged, wherever that might be. If I were younger I’d have little to lose by renouncing US citizenship. Now, I have too much to lose. I won’t start another business in this country because of the government risk. Though I have the energy, capital, contacts and more than enough experience to begin another enterprise, it’s far easier to be retired and live off my investments.

  • Duane

    Hello, Simon,

    I am not certain that many of your “subscribers to this letter are a cut above”, as you say. I will tell you why I say that…

    Judging from today’s (Thursday) comments, some are too bitter to be able to see what is going on around them. They want revenge rather than salvation of their own thinking and doing.

    Others want everything done for them, i.e., that YOU should write everything for them to do. How can you possibly do that when everyone is different in most ways?

    Still other makes excuses of various kinds. I give you that each of them has valid points of conscience, but somewhere along the way you have to make a break. That is to say, if you are concerned about leaving relatives behind, take them with you. You will actually be saving them from misery in due course.

    I did not wait to find my boiling point. I found my disgust point first; disgust with ALL government antics at ALL levels; the lying and cheating of politicians and banks; the misrepresentation of themselves by politicians; government borrowing to pay off debt…(there is no limit to stupidity); the obvious foolhardiness of the people in their attitude toward personal debt; and the list goes on.

    Regarding debt, most people could not move because of their mountain of debt.

    My first realization of how things in government and with Man work came to me as I stood in a sheep yard in 1962, watching a large flock of sheep eat and drink. From then on I’ve always looked behind the curtain. Or at least as much as I can.

    A friend of mine has a good collection of guns and he uses them to hunt with. I asked him when he going to use his guns to protect himself. He said he will use them when the government comes to take them. My reply was that by then it will be too late. The same is true with every other aspect of American life when the government decides to move against the people in earnest.

    So I vacated the premises not when I found my boiling point but when my disgust point got too much for me to want subject myself to it any more. It was a considerable project, but it was doable and has been worth it because I am freer in a beautiful country, I feel unburdened, I am absolutely happy, and I live for half the money without changing my lifestyle one iota.

    I suggest that your readers do their own reading and research, not to rely on you, Simon. I do not suggest tourist-type books. They are not what you are really looking for if you are searching for a place to live. The library is full of books.

    Make a complete list of things desirable and undesirable to you that will give you the things that you want to make your lives happy and useful in your new country. Write down absolutely everything you can think of.

    The Internet can deliver to you all kinds of information on almost any country. Most countries have official information just waiting for you. But in all of your searching you must dig deep to find the specific things you want to know. There are all kinds of online pictures of many countries.

    With proper research you should be able to narrow down to one or two countries that seem most suitable to you.

    In the end you should make an exploratory trip to countries that interest you, just to be sure. You aren’t there as a tourist, you want to learn things that will immediately be useful and beneficial to you. You can visit art galleries, museums, and cathedrals later if you decide to move there.

    There are many other do’s and don’ts and must do’s that I wont take the space to go into here.

    I urge all of you not to give up on escaping. At some point in the future it will be too late.

  • Rick G

    I have been self employed my entire life. I live in Iowa and watch all the favored classes, farmers, unions and teachers, receive benefits at the expenses of everyone else. We have a high income tax rate (9%) and very high property taxes. yet we have no jobs and miserable weather. Our governor wants to import more immigrants so he can expand his voting base.

    My breaking point will come when the government wants to take my 401K and IRAs so that the non-producers on this world will have a retirement income. While I complain about living in this high tax state, making the break is still difficult due to family and the uncertainty of change. Leaving the US is nice to talk about, but it is difficult for most of us in the middle. Not enough money to feel secure and making to much money to get any benefits from the give away government we have now. It appears the non-producers of the US are winning the battle. Eventually the producers will just give up.

    • http://www.internationalman.com Smith

      Rick, I’m an Iowa boy myself and have never been a member of the ‘favored’ class. In fact, I still have a home there although I’m hardly ever there and certainly don’t claim residency in that unforgiving jurisdiction. Making the break is hard, but perhaps not as hard as you might suppose. Being a “self-employed” man, you’ve already done the heavy lifting by being self reliant. Simon and I will endeavor to provide you with more examples of people who have internationalized their lives. Many of our subscribers have. It doesn’t, by the way, mean you have to permanently leave the US. Baby steps.

      Attn Subscribers: if you want to share your story of internationalization fill out the comment form here. We’ll get back to you and schedule a phone interview.

  • Me

    Mmm. Interesting comments here.

    I grew up in South Africa. Spent most of my childhood running around the streets without a care in the world. No high walls, no guard dogs, alarms etc. I remember moving to a house that had a burglar gate over the front door. This when I was 15. By the time I finished school at 18, just 3 years later, we lived in a gated compound with six foot high walls topped with electric wire, 24 hr patrolling guards with shotguns, panic alarms etc etc. We boiled slowly.
    Not until I left the country (immediately after completing school) did I come to realise exactly that I was being boiled. The decision was then made instantaneously. Black and white.
    The thing is that everyone (friends and family) talked about it, and much like all the comments above, everyone came up with the “when xyz happens then thats it” scenario. You know what? That in itself is self delusion.

    If you see a great big wall of water coming at you across the bay do you say “when that thing gets too the dock then thats it!!”?. Well that’s exactly what most people do and many are doing on this forum. Don’t delude yourself, there is no perfect time to do anything. You can always make as many excuses as you like but at the end of the day you either decide or you don’t. To decide means there are no if’s or but’s, you cut off all options. Once you decide thats it. I have found this personally to be something that one needs to keep working at. Never to be complacent. It runs through business, investing and all other life choices including marriage children etc. For those of you with children think of it like this. Once you had your child or children was there ever a time that you would have considered letting them get in harms way? It’s simply not an option. You would sooner die. That is deciding.

    For those that think that opting out of citizenship is too expensive, ask yourself this question. Which is better. 50% of something or 100% of nothing. There is absolutely no way that it is going to get easier to renounce. The wall of water can’t recede but only gather strength. At some point its power will be vanquished but not before those in its path are decimated.

    Incidentally I now have 3 passports, live where I want to and am always vigilant. Nothing is linear, certainly not the future. How do you do it? You decide to.

    • Austin

      Dear Sir Me,
      Bravo–and would you mind saying which if any other African nations you hold passports from?

      VisitedJohannesburg not too long ago and chafed at the “security” situation–a situation that was half created, half allowed to develop. Nevertheless, I think there could be places in Africa with a world of potential, and your candid assessment would be much appreciated.

  • John Brown

    hello Simon Black,

    Your message is right on the mark.

    This is goes right along with the forced vaccine ambush which is upon the world and the USA.

    I heard this on the Alex Jones show today, 7/16/2009

    Demand Protection from Mandatory Vaccination, Drugging or Sanctions, Including Internment and Support for the Right to Self-Shield In the Event of a Pandemic. We must get the third option passed into a bill where people can refuse vaccination and internment, and choose self-quarantine in their own houses.

  • Roberto

    Hello Simon,
    I’ve been a rebel most of my life to some degree but 911 was the breaking point for me especially after watching a memorial service performed in Washington DC while the camera was paning the audience of mostly people in officialdom I could see clearly through the facade of facial expressions. The message was very clear that we all have been screwed once again. Up to that point I had at least some hope that consciousness would prevail. That hope was finally put to rest as the stark reality of the event was undoubtedly in my face. Three years later I was living in Australia. My International Man learning curve is expanding. My next exploration will be in various parts of South America. I’am a young senior with plenty of zest for life and would like to get involved with sustainable and creative endeavors that expand awareness and have a damn good time doing the rest of my life in as much freedom as possible. Look forward to learning more. Thanks for your spirit of freedom.

  • joe

    Dear Simon:
    I feel the same frustration you seem to. I too Served my country in a war or 2, as did my father and brother. I have spent my life trying to work and provide for my family. Then I ran a foul of the system and was screwed beyond belief. I have in fact reached my breaking point and am reviewing options. Sadly, I only see one that has any hope of doing some good for my fellow citizens, and waking the average man. I would love to see more of your comments. we have much in common.

  • V

    I am 29 years old and I have lived in 6 countries so far. I lived in the US for the last 9 years and when I saw the imminent collapse of the American empire, I decided it was time to go. I like the US when I was living there…but there sure were a lot of frogs…no one was shouting from the rooftops when the WMDs were not found or when the IRAQ war started without declaration of war from Congress. You also lied to yourself about 9/11, but I guess it is just the nature of empires. All must come to an end when overextended and it’s currency debased. Those are all clear signs that people chose to ignore which is why they have to suffer the consequences, which is also why I was happy to get rid of my green card and leave the US for good. If you think I sound anti-American, then you still have your heads in the sand. As for the where, when and how to move out of the US…take some responsibility for yourself for once in your life and do your own damn homework. Don’t always look to someone to point out to you where liberty is…

    Confessions of a Economic Hitman

  • Caroline


    This is my final post in Dr. Gary North’s forum, in reply to my question in which I asked for banking ideas for becoming an Expat family to either New Zealand, Panama or Costa Rica. In my opinion, getting out of the US yesterday can’t be too soon. . . Here is my final comment after hearing back from several people saying that I would be making a tragic mistake, though there were a few good answers giving me a little support, but no real ideas on how to bank or move physical bullion. . .

    “After digesting and mulling over all of the replies, and considering our own research, we are still going to expatriate. Most likely via Panama which has a very generous expat pension visa (with built-in safeguards), a great cost of living, an excellent health care system and a bright economic outlook for business and investing. From our research and talking to other expats (there are about 25,000 Americans there already), we will be able to live quite comfortably on my husband’s pension and not dip into our savings–maybe even be able to put some away. (We certainly can’t do that here in California!)

    If we find Panama is not for us, then our next move would be to New Zealand and get our residency via investing in a small business. We’ve since found out that we would most likely be granted residency if we do so and can show a profit. We also have some friends from New Zealand (living here in CA) who have said they will help once they go back next year.

    Our main goal is to get a second residency/citizenship, and stay gone until America works out its “issues”. As a former Air Force member, and my husband being a firefighter–this does sadden us to leave all we know and the America we once knew. Although this is something we wish we would have never had to consider, we are willing to take the chance to be able to give our kids a decent future without billions in debt tied to their SSAN, a broken health-care system, a broken education system, and tainted, chemical-ized, genetically engineered food and water supplies. In addition, we get to leave behind an ever growing big-brother and police state, an anti-parental rights state, ever increasing costs of living and taxes, and unchecked illegal immigration. Yes, there are still a lot of great things about America, and we know there will be potential problems of similar nature or others that we are not even aware of yet in another country. However, it seems that many other countries do not have the myriad or scale of problems the US does at this time, and hopefully in 10 years, when our kids are of age, it will have gotten better again. (Unfortunately, I do think it will take at least that long to fix all our problems. . .) After carefully weighing everything out and doing a pro and con list, we believe that what we will temporarily lose will be worth the potential gain, or at least the potential peace of mind.

    P.S. This must also be in our blood–I remember all the stories my grandmother told me about her and my grandfather leaving Germany in 1920. She said her family ended up throwing their German Marcs into the fireplace for warmth because they were worth literally nothing, and how some people plastered them on their wall as wallpaper. They came to America after they lived in France for a couple of years (and decided it wasn’t for them), in their early 30s, with four children (one born on the boat just as they arrived at Ellis Island), and not knowing a lick of English. However, they already knew German, Polish and French, and learned English as soon as they arrived. They ended up investing in a bakery, bought some real estate and, in the end, left the earth with 102 grandchildren and great-grandchildren as a result of their decisions. Some of their relatives and friends in Germany were not so lucky. They also helped many less fortunate people through the depression with left-over food from their bakery, and when someone couldn’t pay their rent, they didn’t kick them out. I don’t know if they were naturalized citizens yet at that point, but they embraced America whole-heartedly and immediately got to work by learning the language and then worked very hard and made good investment decisions. My husband’s family is the same story–they settled in New York from Ireland to find a better life and to avoid starvation in the 1800s. So, I believe we can do this and I believe it is the right decision. Our grandparents were smart enough to see the handwriting on the wall, and I think most people here are also–they just don’t want to. Does that mean I think everyone should do this? Of course not, but I do think everyone needs to prepare according to their situation. If we did not have kids, we would stay and fight to get back the America we know will be one day again, but when you have kids, (as those of us who have been blessed with children know), everything changes. This is for our children and for our economic survival.

    • Patriot1

        It is high time to leave. We are living in the Daughter of Babylon as stated in the Good Book. We are warned to leave and save our selves and family. The stars fall from the skies upon us, and I dont think it means meteors.

  • Travis

    My Breaking point was in Kindergarten. I may not have realized the finer details of what it was that I disliked, but I new that this State run organization was not for me. It nurtured the weak, and shackled any real free thinking.

    Over time I became numb to it. I got into less trouble and got good marks and excelled athletically and socially so…whatever…I was part of the problem…just going along and getting along.

    In University I met my wife, a Japanese woman educated from an early age in Canada – very international up bringing compared to mine. Here parents had recognized the down falls in that country and wanted to expose their children to something else. We met, I graduated and moved there for a couple of years. Going in, I didn’t feel like frog soup…coming out I was ready to fix bayonets. We returned to Canada and that is when it really hit me. I saw this nanny states down falls clearly

    I have bank accounts there and a home base and some gold under the mattress, friends and family. As a white foreigner who speaks the language badly…it’s not my first choice if the shit really hits the fan and we get WW3…but it is a Choice other than my “Home and Native Land”. I want more choices.

    In my twisted view, Canada has a very high quality of life due to HUGE amounts of natural resources per capita. The Country has 33 million people or so. It is easy to run a dumbed down welfare state when you have what this land mass has. But, when the UN holds Canada up high and plugs the virtues of its programs, I fear for the world. Brave New World. Here’s your check, go get your booze and pills and your MSG, watch your porn, sports and video games and shut the hell up!

    Many things have happened here over the decades and nobody kicks up a real fuss. We had our War Measures Act long before the Patriot act (Trudeau used it) and nobody really cares. The official Secrets Act is as heavy as it gets if you get in its way. George Radwanski was the privacy commissioner under Chretien and he began to alert the people of some of the V for Vendetta-like protocols Canada had on the drawing board and he was pushed out in days – over night scandal, Media Falls into line and pumps a story of him “OVER SPENDING ON HIS EXPENSE ACCOUNT” (talk about the pot and kettle). The people bought it and he was out – no more resistance to video surveillance, bio metrics, ID cards, national Data Base, the works.

    Anyway guys, I’m starting to breath heavily and sweat here so I’ll wrap this one up.

    I must take this opportunity to thank you both for the invite to Stompernet. I can;t make this one, but just receiving the Ad copy letter was helpful (great ad copy) and I now have more resources for my Internet Business research. Anything else you guys have is always appreciated. I am impressed with you service.


  • Expat X

    I’m a bit skeptical about people claiming they’re going to renounce. Less than a thousand people a year do it, and if you look at the fed web site that displays their names, most are obviously not USA natives. Who is actually going to be part of that (say) 300 gringos a year that are legally cutting the cord? And slim chance any consular officer will grant you a visa after doing it…once you leave, it may be decades before you can return again.

    If you don’t renounce, and just physically leave as most expats do, you’ll no doubt eventually be compelled by circumstance to stop paying US taxes. Then you’re a felon who is a citizen of the world’s most powerful government, one which is desperate for revenue, in an ever more computerized world. Legally expatriating is easy to talk about, quite another thing to actually do.

    Where did that fifty percent exit tax rumor get started? There has never been any exit tax, until a year ago.


    Prior to that, renouncers were liable for normal income tax (not an exit tax) for ten years, but it only applied to US-source income.

    The exit tax that was passed last year is 33%, and it’s only_on_unrealized_gains, not on net worth. The first $600k in unrealized gains is exempt. How many readers of International Man have more than $600k in unrealized gains? Even for those who do, one can just sell part of one’s assets–enough to get the unrealized portion below that threshold–and pay capital gain rates on it, which are of course less than 33%.

    I agree with the tidal wave analogy of commenter “Me” above; the number of people renouncing will remain miniscule until it becomes obviously necessary, at which time the law will very quickly change. It’s only viable if it’s done before the rush, which means very few people will do it successfully.

    Anyway, some tips:

    Know the law, which is all on the internet on .gov websites. You won’t be taken seriously if you don’t know which sections of legal code are applicable. For example, there’s an IRS form that has to be filed, though you aren’t required to present it at the embassy.

    Consult a US lawyer regarding the law as it applies to expatriating…or at least have the name of a US law firm that you can claim to have consulted with. You aren’t required to have counsel, but you don’t want to give the consular officer any pretext to treat you like a nincompoop.

    Make the appointment by couriering a calm, thoughtful letter to the head of the American Citizens Services Section (you can get the person’s name from the embassy website). Do not do it by phone, or, worse yet, as a drop-in visitor.

    When you phone to make the appointment, ask for the secretary of the person you wrote to. If the operator tries to get you to talk about what it’s in reference to, say you need to discuss a matter which you have already explained in detail in [courier company letter #] which was received on [date] and signed by [signer]. Emphasize that you are a US citizen and that you have already initiated contact.

    Some consulates won’t perform the paperwork on your first visit; they’ll treat you like a loon and insist that you reflect on it for a few weeks. Be cool and businesslike. They can’t refuse to do it, but they can do it on their own schedule. They personally don’t give a rat’s derriere about your renouncing, but they can’t let Washington think they’re processing it without at least token resistance.

    You need not only your second passport, but also your naturalization paperwork. Bring everything. (“Instant” citizenships [aka “banking passports”] are useless. Vince Cate pulled it off in ’98, but that won’t work anymore.)

    Some embassies have a long queue for expatriation (wait a few years to begin your expatriation, and maybe the queue will be years rather than months), so you may want to go to a different country to renounce…but wherever you go, they’ll give priority to people who are legal residents there. Also, they’ll want to hear that you’re going to be there for at least a year, because part of the process is to courier your CLN (Certificate of Loss of Nationality) and canceled US passport to a local address; they won’t send them outside the country. “I’ll be leaving for short periods of time, but mostly I’ll be here for 18 months” would be a good thing to say. In reality, once the CLN is generated, you’re home free, whether you have it in hand or not.

    The law doesn’t require you to give a reason as to why you’re leaving, but they probably won’t process the paperwork unless you do. Rather than fruitlessly argue, have a brief, emotionally-neutral statement prepared as to why you’re leaving. If they ask you to expound, just keep calmly and slowly repeating it in different ways, like a politician. Do not allow yourself to be put in a position where you’re justifying yourself. Expatriation is a right. It’s not at the discretion of the consular officer

    Have extensive chitchat well-memorized so you can talk at length. Remember that the staff may feel obligated to pad the interview time-wise.

    Take a strong stance that you’ll never enter the States again. Don’t give them any pretext to say that your words demonstrate your lack of commitment, or that you’re at risk of slipping back in illegally. Any mention of the possibility of returning on a tourist or business visa gives them argument material.

    Think what you like beforehand, but this is going to be an emotionally intense experience. Unless you can honestly say you’re tough, bring an imposing-looking lawyer or paralegal as a witness. He won’t be there as legal counsel (this is going to be a local, non-US person…a US lawyer would charge you a fortune to attend an expatriation). The embassy staff will treat you with much more respect–and is much less likely to try to get dramatic to try to make you tremble and back down–if you have someone on your side of the table.

    Keep the tone relaxed and pleasant. The embassy staff has enough annoyance in their lives already…they’re fed employees! Shake hands at the end. Wish them well.

    The embassy will forward the paperwork to Washington. After many months, Washington will tell the embassy it’s approved (Washington will have checked with IRS to make sure you’re current on tax returns, do not owe money, are not in the process of being audited, and of course they’ll also check with FBI to ensure you’re not a fugitive, on parole, in arrears on any court-ordered payments, etc.), and the embassy will create your CLN and return your US passport (it’ll have holes punched in the cover, a “canceled” stamp inside, and of course will be flagged in the databases as canceled.)

    You may want to FedEx the form to IRS just before you go to the (second) embassy appointment. Showing the FedEx receipt to the consular officer will satisfy him that the IRS paperwork has been taken care of. This is easier than trying to convince an ignorant consular officer that you have no legal obligation to show him the IRS form (which shows the breakdown of your net worth).

    The legal expatriation date is retroactive to the day you signed the oath of renunciation, or the date Fed Ex shows IRS received your expatriation tax form, whichever is later. Your renunciation is virtually assured of being approved. Rejections involve foolish behavior, like the man in Puerto Rico who claimed the right to continue living there despite its being a US territory. Of course, there’s always that small chance expatriation gets banned while paperwork is in the pipeline. But, good news, you’ll get your US passport back, non-canceled! Maybe with a gratis IRS audit as a bonus. Barring that, income after you renounce is non-taxable, even if it occurs before the CLN is generated.

    But, really, who is actually going to renounce? Nestmann (presumably) hasn’t, probably nobody at Casey Research has, Messrs. Smith and Black (I assume) haven’t. Big, scary step.

  • Bob Hays

    When? About high school, in the 60’s, I thought the US was going to the dogs and probably wouldn’t turn around. Active action really started as soon as I could get an early retirement in 1997 (at the age of 51). We shifted to New Zealand in 1999. And it’s been a good decision. But here’s a turn your other readers may not expect. We’re now working on setting up a crib in Panama, because NZ has many of the same problems fundamentally as the US does. No, it’s not bought into the bubble government finances mania, and has much going for it, but it’s derived from the same culture. Debt (personal and corporate) is out of control, as are unfunded future promises for welfare by government. And it’s already got gun control and socialised medicine, and is run by a much less-limited central government.

    And in truth, I won’t be surprised to feel a need to look for another place sometime after that as things continue to change in the world.

    Oh. As for kids. Our ancestors came to the US with very little or nothing, and brought the kids. And I understand archeologists believe our species has been doing that for millennia. So it’s presumably still in our genes. The kids don’t seem to me to be the ones who have trouble adjusting to a new language or culture.

    As for finances, combined, my wife’s and my pensions are around $35k/yr gross–and we pay one very large part of that for health insurance, so far at least. My wife went back to work teaching in NZ at about half the salary she got in the US, and paid a higher proportion in income taxes. Yet we rebuilt our cheap and dilapidated house, had a lot of fun with new friends and exploring. We’ve also done well enough on investments (mostly staked by what we made on selling our house) to now afford this multi-country lifestyle. We pay income taxes to BOTH US and NZ. And there are a lot of folks living in NZ, Panama, and other places we’ve been on less income and living happy lives. If you choose what toys and hobbies you can afford, life is a lot easier. Life’s far too short to do all the inexpensive fun stuff alone, anyway.

    Relatives? Like most folks, our relatives are scattered across the country. It’s not much more expensive to fly from NZ to a smallish city in the US–let alone several of them–than it is to fly from one smallish city to another. Besides, when was the last time we saw some of them? Years. But we didn’t travel all that often visiting each other when we lived in the US, either. And Skype really shrinks distance.

    Finally, the rules are tightening on immigration in NZ, and I’ll bet most places. You may think you can wait until the last minute, but so are a lot of others, no? From decision to arrival at our place in NZ took us a full 6 months, and the house was already sold. It took, literally, 6 months before that to get permanent residence visas, which we got before we even visited NZ the first time. (No point checking it out if we couldn’t live there, no?)

    For me, moving away was partly for adventure and the lifestyle. But a part was I am too risk averse to want to stay in the US. Every time we come here, it’s feeling like we’re climbing on board the Titanic. So we enjoy ourselves and the parties and champagne on offer here–but keep our personal lifeboat (home offshore, some currency, and return tickets in hand) well in sight. So I guess you could say we are willing to put up with the risk to see the grandkids.

    Do you love liberty, or not? This is the basic decision it came down to for me. We may not live in an ideal country, but a multi-country option is a lot more free than being stuck in one. And that’s true whichever country you’re in of the sorry lot of alternatives out there these days.

    “Bob in NZ” (but temporarily now in NM).

  • John (Canada)

    Regarding shorting Swedish banks, what about shorting the ETF ISHARES MSCI SWEDEN INDEX (EWD)? I realize it’s not just comprised of bank stocks, but Swedish companies in general.
    Regarding the US health plan, most people don’t realize that it will seek to reduce expenses (2 trillion dollars) by having non-medical administrative personal determine if a patient has sufficient worth as a human being to warrant the cost of care. The cost/benefit ratio may be negative for the elderly, chronically ill, etc. The focus will be on cutting costs, not treating people. The Nazis had a similar policy.

  • Ron

    The Declaration of Independence does not share the same ideals as the Constitution. Patrick Henry was right in saying that it would lead to large tyrannic central government. Another jerk by the name of Lincoln took care of the concept of States Rights. The 1960’s really showed the tyranny of government. This was promulgated by allowing the uneducated to vote themselves benefits from the treasury as promised by their representatives in Washington, DC to keep getting elected. I had enough in the Carter years, as soon as I could get off the floor from laughing. I unfortunately am not independently wealthy, and need employment or a business of my own. I am seriously looking at Ecuador and Brazil. It is ironic, my grandfather left Lithuania in 1909 and now a hundred years later it may be time to return. In my case the gun is in the process of being aimed at a target. Once that target is found, pulling the trigger will not be a problem.

    • Globaltravel

      Consider New Zealand…..it’s great and the people are too.

  • Diane

    I’ve been searching the previous posts for something I recall reading about second passports and being adopted, even if you’re an adult, by a Spanish citizen.
    If anyone recalls which post, please let me know.

  • M W Baumeister

    We crossed our Rubicon some fifty years ago. When the nest was empty, Atlas shrugged. It is an up hill battle, but the wagons are circled. We choose to weather the storm. We the people will prevail.

  • David

    Very simple if Obama’s health care bill is passed and/or the cap and trade bill is passed I will leave.

  • Shilo

    I hear so many comments from people all over the world that sound the same: Things are bad and they are getting worse. I’m still in the states but don’t plan to be for long, however, I worry when I hear so much despair coming from so many places. Eventually it sounds as if there won’t be any places left to run and we will have to stand and fight. At the very least we should try to be clear about what we are fighting against and what we are fighting for, lest friends become enemies in the fog of war.

    • jean lohmeyer

      I live in Mexico. If you read the papers in the U.S. one would believe the entire country was one big drug war. Quite to the contrary. Most of Mexico is safe, peaceful, and delightful. Do your research but skip the mass media.l

    • Randy Linamen

      If still around Shilo. Never let yourself (or yours) fight anyone who isn’t causing injury. Best three-and-a-half hour education in the world right here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936# .
      If a cop’s serving statutes violating his Oath to “secure the Blessings of Liberty” (a purpose, Preamble, U.S. Const.). Inform him he’s accountable under “Obligation of Contracts”, ARTICLE I, Section 10, end of clause 1, “Constitution For the United States”.
      NEVER be deceived about which Constitution “We the People” enforce (5 minute video you’ll never forget: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVsMUpPgdT0).

      Help encourage Patriot Citizens to return home and help us enforce “the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be BOUND thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the Contrary notwithstanding.” ARTICLE VI, clause 2, Constitution For The United States (emphasis added ONLY in “BOUND”).

      Randy Linamen, seemingly alone in Northern Virginia.

  • Stan

    I am ready to leave the US but my biggest slowdown is a lack of information. And too much information. But few specifics. I am leaning to Panama at this time but there seem to be many countries which offer much to an expat.

    Panama isn’t too far from friends and family and all that’s familiar. It also has good pensioners visa but how long would it take and how much would it cost, all in, to get one? Good banking, near first world infrastructure from what I read and low cost. Good climate at elevation.

    I will visit later this year and hope to find an honest attorney to help me with the pensioner’s visa. What documents do I need to take with me for the application? How much currency or can I pay any expenses with a credit card or checks on my US bank?

    If anyone here has already done this or knows the answers, please let me know as it would be most helpful.
    Thanks to all and especially to Simon for the daily letter and information.

    • Samtsmith

      I do have a Panamanian pensioners visa. Use Beth Gray in Panama City…she charges $1,000 to process the visa application. PC is not cheap but outside the city is more reasonable. Panama is on the dollar and a Visa is recognized anywhere.

  • jean lohmeyer

    I jumped 4 years ago, thank heaven. None the less got stuck with a tax from the patriot act when I sold my house. I am in San Miguel Mex. and having the time of my life with both Mexican friends and Gringos. I am of retirement age but continue to build or restore houses for love and money.

  • Jane

    Hi Simon!
    I have a quick question, maybe someone in the comment section can help me out too. I’m a 21 year old third year college student majoring in Nursing. I’m $25,000 in debt and want to get out of this rat wheel that’s taking me nowhere. Here’s the thing, I actually want to finish school and become a Nurse. I like helping people, at the same time I’m considering doing something drastic.

    I don’t have much saved up, maybe $2000. I’m planning on stopping payments on my credit card bills and school loans. Instead I want to focus on starting some kind of business or as Simon likes to put it, find profitable opportunities. The problem is I’m not sure if I should go for it. What if everything goes wrong?

    • Randylinamen

      One very sharp lady, Mary Elizabeth Croft, has a free ebook (http://www.freedomfiles.org/mary-book.pdf). Containing simple procedures to release you from debt. Since it was most likely fraud that put you under it.
      Dump negative attitude. Everything can’t go wrong. PEACE!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RUYKOIJ46JE4D733TPEI7Q26DA robertzraick

      Fear is the mind killer.  You ask what if everything goes wrong?  Well everything is already going wrong, so worst case you would just break even.

      Fortunately for me, I have spent a lifetime of taking the road less traveled.  What I have gained has far outweighed anything I have lost.

      Become self reliant.  You will be fine.

  • Leslie

    At the breaking point now. As a single mom and taking care of my father, how can I take care of us in the future? We live in a city. I think it is time to take the cash out of the IRA and get it into food storage and go rent something way out in the middle of the state, but I feel a lot like a deer that can hear its stalker hunting it but it too afraid to move. How do I pick up my family and just leave? Where do I go, what do I do? The anxiety all around is palpable.

    • Danny Jain

      Leslie, why not leave and take your father and son/daughter to Doug Casey’s Cafayate (“the land that has everything”) , Argentina? One can live quite comfortably on $500.00 a month and you’d be giving your family an opportunity to be free.

      • Catevala

        An article on Argentina on this site, I believe, presented it as a worst case scenario for liberty?

      • $1926493

        You won’t come close to living at Cafayate on $500/month.

  • Kcr357

    I don’t have a breaking point; both of my grandfathers didn’t fight in WW2 so their grandson could run away from his countries problems. Every day I spend time researching what is going on, who is on who’s side, and what needs to be done. I plan on staying in the US unless I happen to travel abroad for vaca., that’s it. No ill will to anyone that does leave though, I applaud your insight.

    • Sir2You

      Come out of her, My people, that you participate not in her sins, nor in her punishment.
      As a voter, you are responsible for whatever this illegal government pretends to do, as you did not remove them to prison.

  • Tom

    I would not be reading our articles if I did not feel an uncomfortable heat. I appreciate your thoughts and help to get the hell out of Dodge. Thanks and Aloha from Hawaii

  • Done

    It is too hot when:
    1. My bank won’t allow me to transfer more than 10K per day. Gee, I thought it was my money.
    2. Airport scanners that reveal all. Gee, I thought it was my body.
    3. Laws that protect me by limiting my voice, limiting my income, limiting where I can bank (just turned down today from international bank because I am an American). Gee, I thought I was free.

    Time to go… need to open an account first. Not having loads of luck.

    • Bud Wood

      Perhaps things have changed.  I have had a bank account in Hongkong for decades with no problem.  They send me statements monthly and when I want money received or sent, the actions are done promptly and without problems.
      This last summer, my wife and I opened a brokerage account in Singapore via mail.  It took a while, but again, everything seems to be in order.  No problems. 

      Don’t give up; there are many places where you can get an account.

  • Rrvkkv

    I already am past my breaking point. I left the U.S. and now live more happily in C. America

  • jojothearaibianboy

    you have a moral obligation to repay your bills. Not repaying is no different than running a budget deficit and expecting someone else to pay.settle your scores before you bug out.

    • kirk

      usuary was committed , no moral obligation to pay back a bank that committed usuary !!

      • Sir2You

        Furthermore, the banksters loaned you money that  did not exist, but they counterfeited it thru ‘Marginal Banking’ scam. When you learn the money you borrowed was c

      • Sir2You

        counterfeit, repaying it is acting as an assessory to their crime. Moral obligation NOT to repay fraudulent loans!

      • Hardassetdoug

        I wish more people understood the fraud and wouldnt put up with it – go to http://www.freedomclubusa.com I think they are close to a remedy for this fraud.

    • Jacques666

      If you mean repaying the banks and their credit card companies – why? They certainly took our money and laughed all the way back to their corner offices.

      I wish the entire country would just tell those vultures to shove it.

  • Claire

    It’s a great question and one that I have not truly considered. I suppose I’m rather a “live in the present moment” type of person, and my experience thus far has provided me with numerous close calls, but successful escapes from dangerous, not to mention life and death situations. Nonetheless I have been following the situation here in the US with increasing alarm, and disgust, having lived abroad most of my life and understanding that the vast majority of my friends, as well as my family are not ready to budge. My breaking point is not far off, I can say that, and the only thing preventing me from a leap out of the boiling water is my daughter as well as my accumulated possessions, many of which would enable me to work and teach in other countries. I am resourceful and comfortable living abroad. I just need to make up my mind where I would like to go, as well as find the means to leap!

  • Randy Linamen

    I’ve reached a breaking point. Pigs now wear black masks, and taser many to death. Reason for Founders listing 2nd Amendment Right, among Ten, that Citizens demanded. Before allowing Ratification of U.S. Constitution, Dec. 15th 1791 (WHAT have we forgotten?!).

    Someone recently said “We the People…” (with registered firearms) outnumber police and military, 22 to 1. And, that 60% of those would lay down their arms when WE picked ours up. I believe it’s a conservative estimate. Who will fire on family and friends?

    I recently filed a ‘Notice of Understanding, Intent And Claim of Right Affidavit’ (edited & reduced to 3 pages, from: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/77380), with courts. Well worth your time!

    Now, so someone will understand. I lost an only child’s entire 18th -21 years while falsely imprisoned (Michael Aaron Linamen, a son who made me proud). Losing his FINAL 75 days, due to an illegal, early prison release. Obviously ordered by three federal 4th Circuit judges, attempting to cover lower court fraud. Particularly, Fairfax County Circuit, Virginia. Who recently locked me up again for another 15 months (and actually “admitted” Treason, etc.) for simply exercizing a God-given Right.

    Now, released from a Maryland jail, after 22 days for excertion of the same Right.
    NO MORE!!! NO injury to person or property has occurred for any charges. A requirement for ALL constitutional “Crimes”. Until California’s “infraction” invention, 1969.

    I have NO animosity for peace officers who leave me be, when they’ve witnessed NO breach of peace.

    Because of this admission, my life will likely end soon. At 59, childless, I don’t care. I WILL uphold my Oath to protect and defend the “Blessings of Liberty . . . of our Lord” (quoting 1st & final clauses, U.S. Constitution).

    If you’re of the same mind, I’d like to hear from you. Just be careful of every word (Matthew 12:36). Remember, “. . . love your neighbor as yourself.” Leviticus 19:18. PEACE!!!

  • mag22

    I’ve long known that good ol’ Uncle Sam has gone fascist. The reason I’m still living in Sonoma County is that I’ve traveled the world extensively (I’ve forgotten more places than most people have been) and it always felt so damned good to come home. Still, more and more, I recognize the futility of trying to wake Americans up. The problem with people is that they quite simply can’t handle the truth; this, too, I figured out a long time ago, when 9/11 happened and it was so plainly a false flag operation. What is my breaking point? I’ve reached it, but I’m a widow, alone, and actually moving somewhere outside the country makes me feel just as vulnerable as living here. Moreover, “New World Order” means no place to run, no place to hide. That’s the plan, Stand.

    • Teachrman

      Dear Mag22 – a widower at 55, with grown children, in 1999 I left the US and moved to HUngary to start my second life – and I have never looked back! It’s been a great ride – new and wonderful friends, a career I loved and now retirement and extensive travel. If you want to know more, email me at Teachrman@yahoo.com. It’s worth the effort to leave.

  • http://legionenlist.com procinctu.info coming soon

    Breaking point has long passed. But I’m taking the naive approach that I can make a difference. I could easily bail and make it on my own anywhere. But America is my country and I have family here and I will do whatever I can to restore liberty.

    I decided to launch an ‘educational’ website to be online in next few days. Simple things like importance of declaration, constitution, gold, silver, food supply, health, etc. Basically all rehashed information that everybody here already is aware of, But I’m going into places like heavy metal shows and sporting events to advertise.

    I figure the more common folk that gain this knowledge and preserve their wealth, the better it might be.
    should be up by february

  • Jane Bond

    I reached mine already, when I realized that Obama was going to get elected. If my fellow citizens can do something that stupid and unethical, it’s past time to leave.

    Right now I don’t have enough money to move across town, but in the next decade I am getting OUT.

  • http://bit.ly/aPfoFT StoneAge

    My point has been passed many years ago. I opted out of the system and still stayed in my birth country. Made life a bit more challenging, but with my growing family and business, we made it work.. Now I see more and more are waking up, but IMHO it is too little too late. There is a tide of strife coming in the next 2 years that if stopped it will be a miracle.

    My whole family is getting out of our country (not the USA, but mighty close) because freedom is very important to us and it is available many other places. every day we see something to hinder our freedoms here and when most of the population say’s Ok, that’s fine – without thinking about what it does for our children’s freedom.. Just because the masses say something, doesn’t mean it is right for you.

    There are many places in the world that would LOVE to have you without taxing you to death and beyond, or at all, in many cases.

    Trying to fix a government that is broken to the point of telling you it is a crime to criticize it.. There’s nothing left to do but get out while you still can. One day you will find a new Iron Curtain and it will be around North America.

  • tnjazzgal

    Reached mine when Bush got elected the 2nd time. Would have long been gone, but just haven’t quite figured out where to go & how to support myself when I get there. It’s gonna be soon! Cuz I think we’re runnin’ out of time. There’ll come a day when we can’t get out.

  • Laurie B. Krimbill

    I am new to this website and it is a huge relief to find like-minded individuals who see the increasingly rapid roll towards “Big Brother”, “social justice” totalitarian societies. Ironically, China is taking steps toward a capitalist society just as the West is demonizing capitalism. We truly do not learn from history.

  • Tessa

    My point was when, aged 18, I was suddenly and dramatically made to realize that the country I grew up in and thought I knew and loved was nothing like what I was taught it was and believed it to be. When I saw that a supposed egalitarian democracy was run by a ruthless and hideously corrupt political class, conducting itself with all the haughtiness and aplomb of 18th-century aristocracy, supported by a larger class of thuggish and unapologetic bureaucrats I knew I had to run, no matter at what cost.

    It is hard to come to such a shattering realization when so young. After two years of struggle and isolation – the decision to leave made me shunned in my circle – I have made the break and have never looked back. Now, 20 years later, I can say that I have achieved what I could never have achieved had I stayed back in my home country. My life abroad has not been all plain sailing but what always kept me fighting is the knowledge that I had opportunities I could not have back home.

    I am proud of what I have achieved and excited about what I yet have to achieve and am most proud that never, not even during my hardest days abroad, have I regretted my decision to leave.

    By now I have lived in 5 countries, hold three concurrent passports and am self-employed. I have recently traveled back to my home country after many years’ absence and met with schoolfriends who have stayed behind. While they marvelled at my enthusiasm for life I marvelled at their despair, pervasive sense of powerlessness, frustration and fear of the future, all the time saying to myself silently ‘here but for the grace of God go I’.

    Leaving is always a huge decision and not necessarily easier when one is young and single. But when you find yourself in a prison for life the only sane way is to make a break for it, not hope that the food improves or the jailors grow friendlier over the next decade or so.

  • thistlebud

    I’m way beyond angry. I awoke and took a couple of classes from Ayn Rand, in person. Just searching for Galt’s Gulch and the gang.

  • http://profiles.google.com/jfservilla juan servilla

    holy moly, that clip gave me chills! im watching that movie! and btw i had no clue things were as bad in argentina, i had been hearing from casey of casey reaserch that argentina is actually one of the freest countris to move to right now, precisly likely because of the economic colapse a few years ago, i’d be interested in hearing more about that. thanks for the great article!

  • dick

    well, the only problem with yelling out the window is the zombies who will hear you will just keep shuffling through their pseudolife. You gotta just get out of dodge quietly (and quickly). Our gummint in the US is working like hell to make it impossible to leave (without just the shirt on your back).

  • Ronin

    Would love to leave the US, but between where to go, and how to afford to get there. A single person, well it’s easier for them, but for someone with 5 kids and a disabled wife, well that’s a little more complicated.

  • Worksalot

     I guess I need to call Uncle Charlie and ask him
    to “give” me a million FRN’s or so in the likely event
    I can escape from these united States of America…..
    What do you have in store for the 99% of us working
    stiffs w/o a foreign bank account…..come on you can start
    a whole new following just getting Joe Blow and Mary
    Lunchbucket to subscribe.

  • Blake

    As soon as we have (mostly non-violent) prisoners fighting each-other to the death, the end is truly near.

    “The Real Gladiators of Sing Sing – brought to you by Tide.”

    Tell me it can’t happen here.

  • Westcoastliberal

    I think many of us are about about 8 on the pissedoffometer, but it’s tiresome to sign petitions and try voting for the “lesser of evils”.  Sure would be nice to have some representation in government.

  • Jim

    I believe for most Americans (our breaking point) will be when the government takes our pensions and TDAs IRAs annuities SS gold and silver

  • Guest

    I am as slow as heck, and did not know just where to start, spent a lot of useless time , trying to get my(ret. USAF) uncle to see that his investment in US Treasury notes was a giant ponzi scheme…He thinks I am crazy, as do the rest of my family members….Lately, when things have come about(as I warned them about)  my folks have just quit communicating with me….they would rather die then admit what I am reading is correct, and they are fools…..so, I got a dog….hahaha….and do not miss a one of them….Finally, I got my second wind, and decided I would begin to take action for MYSELF, quit wasting energy on trying to remove (cataracts) on the “blind”….In the last 30 days, I have cash-surrendered my 3 government life insurance policies….which adds +70.00 per month to my retirement stipend, that I can use to buy precious metals, foreign currencies, or invest…..Then, I withdrew from Medicare (part B) , citing the other forms of health insurance which I hold, (they have threatened to remove my Tricare, even though it is under my deceased hubby’s record of USN service, and I am an unmarried widow)….I got soooo  frustrated with Soc Sec that I simply told them I am moving to Canada….and they ceased to argue with me….(This will increase my check by 96.03 per month)….I have stopped all unnecessary spending, and do not shop so much even online now, as before……got rid of my vehicle, and am driving a 50cc moped which takes 3.75 to fill up and runs all month long…..and bought a second moped for when mine is in the shop for maintenance or repair….I have moved to a credit union which has external (bank-to-bank)  capabilities,and have signed up for web-pay….and, this week I am getting a small mailbox with either UPS (local) or RV Mail (for traveling-forwarding needs)……I am allowing all of my current subscriptions by mail to run out……never again using my name along-side my home address….Just changed my landline ## and unlisted it…..Keeping my (former pre-paid cell for family , but shutting it down most days except for weekends)….and will bebuying a Net10 or TracPhone shortly, to phase into, as these 2 types of cellphones are basically private, and unlike classic cells….I have decided not to buy a gun, cause I will be leaving the country to re-settle, somewhere pristine, and outta here…..A veteran of the military (cook) also a college grad (criminal justice)  I know what I see and I am fed up……Actually, I reached my breaking point on the day of Obama’s acceptance speech…..I heard NO thank-yous, but, veiled “threats” and a lotta anger…..It is not about his birth cert., people, (false), but it is all about the (crazy) Ct-issued Soc Sec card which he carries….yeah, Connecticutt…..it is a REPLACEMENT for his original card , and now GRANNY is dead , and she cannot speak to the card…..but, this NEXT election (2012) is a farce……and Obama will be re-elected…..same way Bush stole the election from Gore…..the incumbant is POWERFUL and has resources by which he can bend the outcome…..Obama NEEDS 4 more years to drive the dollar into zero-land….he is breaking the economy ON PURPOSE…..and China is happy to lend $$$ cause their $$$ is benefitting from all of this…..(They are calling him a dummy in China)…..but, long story short, I have gotta get it into HIGH GEAR and soon, as in days ahead, it will be that the US borders are CLOSED…..and, nobody will be free to leave….I am just grateful for this site, and for the opportunity to have read all of the comments which have empowered me…..”open your blind eyes, and unblock your deaf ears…”  ( a song we sing at my church )….I will miss all of my family and friends, even, perhaps , my dog, but, my new life ( where ??) is calling my name, beckoning me…..I will not wait in line to jump off a cliff, like the majority, in front of me…..Good luck to all, and may God be watching your back…..(Irish saying)…also,after the rain, comes the SUN….(Vietnamese proverb)……catch you guys later on the flop side…..xoxoxo

  • ben

    Simon, you are right about Argentina: I am frankly dismayed that a self-proclaimed libertarian like Doug Casey would have picked Salta, Argentina for his version of “Galt’s Gulch”! Gathering a number of wealthy foreigners together in the remote Argentine hinterlands presents an easy (and politically safe) target for Argentina’s latest “Evita”—she can take away their property, cancel their “exit visas”, and be proclaimed as a peronista heroine by the gringo-haters!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001979738905 Thomas Reuben

    Great post and great website, just found it today — there is a rising tide of this kind of info online as more and more people wake up.
    For me, I deplore and despise authority, and always have, and you should too. Why? Because there is no such thing as “authority” — we are all sovereign beings. Nations (those shapes on the map) do not exist, not in any real or tangible way, only individuals exist, and when a person is born from the womb this entire earth is his or her home. This is reality. We do not live in reality, but in a construct of “authority.” Anyway, this frog jumped long ago — dropped out of the 40-hour-per week/401k scam, got rid of my car and my debts, my “American dream” script, etc., and I can attest that the only significant hurdle in the process is overcoming fear. Yes, fear, that’s the only real problem — as “authority” is contingent upon it. People today are scaredy cats, cowards, clinging the facade of a 401k and a job and never lifting their eyes from it. Next they’ll be letting the TSA up their assholes “as long as it keeps us safe.” Freedom is more important that safety — America is not intended to be the “Land of the Safe,” but  “Land of the Free.” HA! –that’s long, long gone folks, and it ain’t coming back, ever (I’m sorry to say). My point: don’t be afraid. Fight back, flee, do something, but don’t sit paralyzed in the oncoming headlights of some “authority” — there is no such thing. There is only you and other people, and all are sovereign.


    He’s pretty much spot on. If you think that the government has your best interests at heart and will be there to protect you, to be there to help you and be there to take care of you in a disaster then you will most likely be DEAD WRONG. The only one who you can truely rely on is yourself unless you voted for that puppet for your president then there is no hope for you..  

  • bcop

    We are so screwed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1484575967 Estelle R LeClaire

    Most people cannot absorb the fact that the chains are already around their necks… The Republic is dead, and that is that!  What is coming will also be a succors deal and sadly most will buy into it. Like very deception and tyrants song, the people flock to their doom.  The Bible is clear and it is playing out to the letter.  When i try to show, as you are doing, that the peril is upon us, most reject it, and laugh….. This time, I think, the orchestrated financial and social collapse will be on a world wide scale.  

    As a veteran I became aware of the combat adage, “If you run, you will only die tired!”  I have made my decision, not one inch, … not one inch!  

  • George

    I’m beyond the breaking point….already….

  • Gagepage03

    I’ve been awakened for almost 3 years now and I know the metaphor all too well. I’ve been looking for answers and a means to improve my situation unfortunately I’m a crippled frog in the heating pot. People around me seem to put belief in our government system and trying to get them to see what’s behind the curtain…. I guess they just don’t want to look. Well I’ve looked and seen and it is horrifying to see history repeat itself. Being self-employed , a single mom and making ends meet is a battle in itself . I have very little . How do you make a lot out of a little. I don’t want , like , or need a hand-out , just information that I can do something with ,with what little I have. I’ve been ready to jump . Just don’t know where  I could jump too. 

  • Lowslowflyer7

    Wow nice take finally decided to get your news letter after following your articles on zero hedge ;-)

  • M-crew78@hotmail.com

    I love my country but pretty much given up on the bunch of politicians in Washington having any common sense. Your told to write to your congressman or women and they tell you your not from their district so they can’t or won’t talk with you. You tell me how they spent 17 trillion dollars and don’t tell me is on entitlements. Why would a person running for a political office spend millions of dollars on a job that pays perhaps $175,00 a year,unless they were expecting something in return. Let’s look art firing them and not giving them a pension or health care for life and see how they like that.Thanks for letting me have my say. Southern Patriot

  • Ravenswing

    The RFID chip is my personal “line in the sand”, I will never consent to it. I am in the unenviable position of having to rely on medication to stay alive, so disconecting from the “system” will probably mean my death. I can hand on heart say this will not be a factor in my reasoning as I do not fear death but look forward to the next stage of this adventure. I am new to this news letter but love the information you are giving out, thx.

    • CuzIwannit

      Ditto me.

  • Craig R Meyer

    I have fears of staying here — which seem petty obvious — and fears of expatriating — which are less defined and therefore more scary.

    For example, I only speak English and I worry about how I would make money in another country. Lots of fear there. I also fear effective abandoning my parents. I’d call that one guilt, or pre-guilt.

    So my breaking point is, duh, when my fear of saying outweighs my fear of leaving.

  • Alman99

    As a Canadian citizen, we are not only exposed to the same headlines and propaganda that the US enjoys, but our current PM is lining us up for similar fates here, all the while claiming that everything is fine here in the great white north.

    Meanwhile, new legislation sits on the order desk, which severely conflicts with our own charter of rights and freedoms, and the press merely spins it out to us as directed by the masters. Is the emperor really wearing no clothes?

    I look forward to attaining a foothold elsewhere before it’s too late…..!

  • Griffith243

    Yep a while back
    Been chipping around ever since. Not easy when you in a country and do not speak the language, keeps life interesting.
    Not to sure about the offshore Bank accounts? and really don’t know about Gold and how to store it.

    Good articular, seems quite old.

  • Machado

    To me the breakpoint has already come. I worry how things can become worse and how fast it will be. The power of government is increasing exactly because people don’t consider the way we followed to come where we are now, and once it increases, it doesn’t decreases. The power of the government when it talks blinds the people to see the truth.

  • Bud Wood

    My disgust point came many decades ago.  Seems that the USA has a long history of corruption, particularly regarding war justifications.  A lot of disgust is available to anyone who does any research.  A lot of disgust!
    However, the breaking point came only recently as we are putting our cottage up for sale. Gotta get out of here before water gets terminally hot!
    Although my wife and I are in our 80s, we just traveled to Panama and, although some nice places there, we would probably be bored because we both have productive activities which are difficult to move.
    In any case, will do more exploring, probably in South America and will try to maintain our health and enthusiasm for making a somewhat smooth transition.

    • Sir2You

      Check out Ecuador and Belize!

  • Nonajoy

    I hope you will consider the needs of those who cannot relocate – because of age and illness. I have known that a breaking point was coming for decades.

    My adult children are in denial, however. 

    • Phoffeld

      This, my dear, is called “The Normalcy Bias”.  That is, things have always worked out…why not this time?

  • coralreef

    My breaking point came 8 years ago, it was not hard to feel the rise of the police state where i live in the middle east, and who they serve, the insanity of how the middle class is being wiped out creating a dangerous gap, the problems with all sorts of pollution, water, air, food, noise, and last but not least mind pollution by means of all sorts of false propaganda and fear mongering. Even thought i have been to many countries and learned many languages, even though i bought some land here n there with water wells and some solar panels and veggie gardens, yet most of my family members still think i m out of my mind and are living in denail. i hope they wake up. The decision to leave was easy to “take” and not so hard to “do”. This is my first conribution to your site and i finally feel i m not alone. Glad to find you.  

  • AWordToTheWiseFool

    Illegals spics coming in and taking America that is my breaking point and it is happening right now because our nigger so called presedent is comitting genocide of the white working class thru ethnic immigration. This new nation of takers will collapse under the weight of expected handouts. There will be no more whites with work ethic left to exploit. DFiversity in action. How many white presedents have we had? It only took one black president to ruin America. I cant stand monkeys.

    • Mark_eldridge

      I am embarassed by your red neck comments. I love this country and also hate our president and illegal aliens but you are a uneducated racist. People like you make the rest of us look bad. you should be banned. I hate what this country is becoming but I would fight to keep it

  • Kevin Gilday

    In reference to the comment below from ” A Word To The Wise.”
    Loyal disagreement with an economic or political policy of the President is the right and duty of every concerned  citizen. However, your racist diatribe and unfounded personal attack against Mr. Obama is beyond reason, fact or logic.
    In these difficult times, an individual is either part of the solution or part of the problem. And, in my view: You are definitely part of the problem.   

    Kevin Gilday


  • KJoyP

    Personally?  My breaking point is when the state decides I’m unqualified to home school my children.  I live in Texas and have a degree in elementary education, though my teaching certificate has expired.  Perhaps that’s a little far down the road, but we’re mostly left alone excepting taxes.  I am watchful, making preparations and most of our money is out of the banks.  I understand you advocate leaving the country, however all of our family and friends are in this state.  They are the most important things to us and we’re more likely to weather the storm with them.  I do my best to try and make them aware of what’s going on so that they can make preparations, but only one or two listen, and the others either don’t want to know or don’t understand what they hear.  I told my sister in law about the NDAA and I was blown away by her response.  “You know, there are really smart people up there.  I’m sure they know what they’re doing and have a good reason for what they’ve done.”  I was just speechless at the utter trust she has in people who are so undeserving of it.

  • Big.paws.china

    I’ve had it with the USA.  I already have moved temporarily to China and learned Chinese.  At least here people can use their skills and get paid well.  I just visited Australia, which looks like a great place to live if you’re filthy rich, but even more of a police state than the USA with their cameras everywhere.  Good luck to those who stay behind.  They will be crushed by the welfare state that the USA has become.  Zaijian, Meiguo 再见美国 (Good-by USA)

  • Hiday_happy

     u lousy i try to make ur happy but then u make me sad

  • Hiday_happy

    can we meet in other places at thailand?

  • http://libertas.ws David Singhiser

    It’s already passed. I want out. I’m just trying to build an income that covers expenses while overseas. No matter what I’m out of the US by the end of the year. 

    TSA groping, Obama’s killing of Anwar al-Awlaki and his son, the recent NDAA –  It’s too much. Anyone with any knowledge of history should know it’s time to get out. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RUYKOIJ46JE4D733TPEI7Q26DA robertzraick

    I have reached my breaking point. Circumstances lead me
    to be now living in Fiji.  It was not my intent
    to live here permanently when I came here to work seven years ago, but during
    that time I was living outside the mind numbing propaganda bubble which deceives
    the common American citizen.

    Fiji is a poor country, but a tropical paradise.  Fiji had a military coup while I was living
    here and is now under a dictatorship. 
    But at least it is an honest dictatorship, unlike so many countries that
    are living in dictatorships masquerading as something else.

    This is entirely true of the United States, I am sorry
    to say, because it was once a free nation which once was an inspiration to the
    rest of the world.  I have been educating
    myself for the last twenty years because I knew something was wrong.  At first I did not know exactly what it was
    but I had the idea that I wished the government would just leave me alone.

    About ten years ago I was introduced to “The Creature
    from Jekyll Island” which opened my eyes to the Central banks and fraudulent
    monetary system.  Then I became aware of
    Peak Oil and all the ramifications of that and realized that the wars in the Middle
    East were not to protect the U.S. but an empirical idea to wage war and loot
    countries of their resources.  They have
    much more to do with illegally gained profits and nothing what so ever to do
    with “making the world safe for democracy.”

    How can military force be used to spread freedom?  Freedom by its very nature means the freedom
    to choose. 

    As my self-education grew, I realized the extent of
    deception and just how everything was a pack of lies.  I am quite fortunate because I am retired and
    can live here in Fiji and have no need to return to the States.  I have watched from outside the envelope of
    lies to see my country descend into something which I no longer recognize as
    the United States.  And the process is
    not only continuing but accelerating.

    There are many people living in denial of what is so
    obvious.  There is an awakening of some
    people, and I support the liberty movement. 
    But I also see that there are people who have become bigoted and
    arrogant and will support the torture and illegal wars which have risen to the
    level of crimes against humanity.

    There comes a point when I cannot accept any of this
    and remain a human being.  I know that
    there will come a collapse of the empire. 
    I know that this will affect every human being on the planet.

    I know that there is only one way the present
    government can continue and that is to become the most tyrannical military
    empire ever seen in the history of civilization. And I must reject that or lose
    my soul. 

    I think that there is still hope for freedom.  And if it returns to our country, I will
    rejoice.  But because I am in the last
    part of my life, I will probably not live to see it.  So I am content to live the remainder of my
    life as a free human being and that is something which is no longer available
    in the U.S.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RUYKOIJ46JE4D733TPEI7Q26DA robertzraick

    I have reached my breaking point. Circumstances lead me
    to be now living in Fiji.  It was not my intent
    to live here permanently when I came here to work seven years ago, but during
    that time I was living outside the mind numbing propaganda bubble which deceives
    the common American citizen.

    Fiji is a poor country, but a tropical paradise.  Fiji had a military coup while I was living
    here and is now under a dictatorship. 
    But at least it is an honest dictatorship, unlike so many countries that
    are living in dictatorships masquerading as something else.

    This is entirely true of the United States, I am sorry
    to say, because it was once a free nation which once was an inspiration to the
    rest of the world.  I have been educating
    myself for the last twenty years because I knew something was wrong.  At first I did not know exactly what it was
    but I had the idea that I wished the government would just leave me alone.

    About ten years ago I was introduced to “The Creature
    from Jekyll Island” which opened my eyes to the Central banks and fraudulent
    monetary system.  Then I became aware of
    Peak Oil and all the ramifications of that and realized that the wars in the Middle
    East were not to protect the U.S. but an empirical idea to wage war and loot
    countries of their resources.  They have
    much more to do with illegally gained profits and nothing what so ever to do
    with “making the world safe for democracy.”

    How can military force be used to spread freedom?  Freedom by its very nature means the freedom
    to choose. 

    As my self-education grew, I realized the extent of
    deception and just how everything was a pack of lies.  I am quite fortunate because I am retired and
    can live here in Fiji and have no need to return to the States.  I have watched from outside the envelope of
    lies to see my country descend into something which I no longer recognize as
    the United States.  And the process is
    not only continuing but accelerating.

    There are many people living in denial of what is so
    obvious.  There is an awakening of some
    people, and I support the liberty movement. 
    But I also see that there are people who have become bigoted and
    arrogant and will support the torture and illegal wars which have risen to the
    level of crimes against humanity.

    There comes a point when I cannot accept any of this
    and remain a human being.  I know that
    there will come a collapse of the empire. 
    I know that this will affect every human being on the planet.

    I know that there is only one way the present
    government can continue and that is to become the most tyrannical military
    empire ever seen in the history of civilization. And I must reject that or lose
    my soul. 

    I think that there is still hope for freedom.  And if it returns to our country, I will
    rejoice.  But because I am in the last
    part of my life, I will probably not live to see it.  So I am content to live the remainder of my
    life as a free human being and that is something which is no longer available
    in the U.S.

  • Klondike94

    We are past my breaking point, but rather than becoming and ex-pat, I’m preparing to go off the grid and get ready for the real trouble when the dollar and economy go pop.

  • F Plachy

    I agree, I see the same things you are talking about. This is my country and I don’t want to take my family and leave. I want our country back. The way our founders who forged our constitution to prevent exactly what some of our govt. has been trying to do. When I discuss the situation and coming scenarios with others they see it as conspiracy B.S. or paranoia. this has been being crafted from administration to the other over time to get us to where we are now. The new world order they like to call it. I don’t know if just going to another country will solve it permanently if this thing goes global like they, the power brokers, U.N. govt, whoever seems to be pulling the strings directly or indirectly  would like to play this thing out. I know a lot of good people will be turned outlaw if they keep trying to tear our constitutional rights away from the people. I am a patriot, I love my country, just don’t trust my govt. the constitution has been working just fine for us for over 200 yrs. it doesn’t need revising or changed to meet some progressive movements needs. Our govt. needs to take heed to the demonstrations overseas because we might not be far from becoming more like that here, heaven forbid.

  • savagecolombia

    I reached my boiling point back in 2008 and 2009……
    The Government was bailing out the banks and the auto manufacturers………. then cash for clunkers.  I owned an auto shop and my own Government was trying its hardest to kill my kind off.  One day i looked at my wife and said thats it……..  we’re leaving.   I sold my shop, cars, guns, toys , jewelry and cashed out my 401K and IRA  ( Which also lost 39% in the previous 12 months at that point. )  I built a Hotel in Cali , Colombia and have never looked back.   I bought Pesos when the dollar was strong.  Now that the dollar is weak and my real estate investments have gone up……….  i have righted alot of wrongs these last 2 -3 years.   But going back is not on my mind.   I live 85 miles away from my Hotel and rental properties in Popayan.  It is truely a great lifestyle.  The weather, the food and the sites are all wonderful.   At 49 i am living a blessed life.   That wasn’t possible for me back in Florida!  ( Which i had grown exceedingly bored of BTW )

  • Kitjeantambo

    We’re on our way out…hopefully before the inevitable collapse. The economic foolishness is just the tip of the iceberg…the culture departed quite awhile ago.

  • Jaakko

    Thursday before Easter First Amendment became felony – at the sole disrection of the Secrect Service any demonstration where there is Secrect Service presence, the demonstration can be redeemed to be improper – a felony

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