Why not Thailand and Uruguay?

by Simon Black · View Comments

Seriously… isn’t it time the investment community stopped listening to the rating agencies?

Moody’s, Fitch, and S&P– these are the usual suspects who completely missed the boat on the US sub-prime debacle.  Back in 2005, they gave pristine credit ratings to risky mortgage portfolios stuffed full of borrowers who are notorious for not paying.

The recent debt crisis in Dubai underscores their irrelevance once again.

As I discussed earlier this week, Dubai’s flagship holding company announced that it had run out of cash and put a temporary stalemate on all debt payments.  The announcement sent markets reeling and once again caught the rating agencies with their pants down.  

It’s mystifying how these three groups, each with a long tradition of getting it completely wrong, are still considered relevant by the financial community.

Meanwhile, amid Comrade Bernanke’s reconfirmation hearings, the job summit, the estate tax extension, and the Afghanistan rollout, it has been quite a week. 

These four events underscore some significant problems that are faced the United States: reckless monetary policy, inappropriate fiscal stimulus, a government budget crisis, and a disastrous war effort.  

As I mentioned in this week’s letter on the conflict in Afghanistan, though, nothing will actually be accomplished other than more summits, hearings, and motivational speeches. 

Sure, it would be nice to affect the system, but is it really worth spending one’s life fighting against a corrupt bureaucracy? Especially when so many ‘fellow citizens’ embrace the status quo, and most others are too uninformed to care? Ssssh… American Idol is on.

I’ve spent a great deal of time setting up a system that keeps me largely free of these headaches.  I still close my eyes and shake my head on occasion, but it’s mostly like watching a bad sitcom. With a multiple flags approach, you have the ability to pick up the remote and change the channel.

On the subject, I received several questions from a letter I wrote earlier this week, outlining my top picks for Asia and Latin America (Chile, Panama, Colombia; and Malaysia, Philippines, and China). 

The biggest question– why weren’t Uruguay and Thailand included on the list?

Thailand is a fantastic country, and I will be spending more time there next year. The problem is that it is difficult to reside in Thailand for the short-term and long-term.

Neighboring Malaysia gives 90-day, extendable tourist visas upon entry; Thailand is good for 15 to 30. Malaysia makes it easy to establish residency; Thailand only issues 100 permanent residency permits each year. 

The property market in Thailand is also quite cumbersome, with significant restrictions on foreign ownership and a lot of sharks who will take advantage of foreigners.

Overall Thailand is a wonderful place, and there are ways around these challenges. But comparing price and hassle, I think Malaysia is a better value.

Uruguay is also great country and would probably be #4 on my list.  I wouldn’t dissuade anyone from buying property or living there. In terms of value, available services, and lifestyle, though, I would pick Chile, Panama, or Colombia, mostly because Uruguay can be exceptionally sleepy.

And although I did not mention it in the original letter, I really like Ecuador as well.
The country is poor… very poor, but its local agriculture is spectacular– “all natural” is the only way they know how to produce.

This is of vital importance to me; I’m very careful about what I put in my body and think that the poison and hormone-filled foods in North America significantly contribute to poor health… and health, after all, is our most important asset.

We’re fortunate that world class physicians are available in places like Panama and Thailand for the price of a steak dinner, but as someone who has a natural aversion to doctors and hospitals, I tend to focus more on staying healthy.  To me, this has a lot to do with food.

Aside from Ecuador, I’ve also noticed that Laos, Chile, New Zealand, and surprisingly China have a vast stock of organic and all-natural food products.  Meanwhile I’m highly suspect of foods in Buenos Aires and Eastern Europe, especially at restaurants.

Of course, the hardest place to have a restaurant meal that isn’t served with a side of poison is in the US– probably the impact of corporate chains.

I recently bought an e-book though, for the whopping price of $29.95, that is the most comprehensive guide I’ve ever seen for all-natural restaurants in the US.  I was really impressed, especially given the price– about 200 pages of listings, reviews, and pricing of just about every place you would want to eat, coast-to-coast.

If you travel frequently or just want to eat some good, poison-free food, you should check it out…  as far as I can tell, the information simply isn’t available anywhere else– www.healthyeatshere.com

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  • lrm
    And,for free,you can use www.happycow.net -which lists vegetarian restaurants world-wide. (of course,it's limited-but if you have just a day or two in a particular city and want a good,clean restaurant,this is a good go-to guide. Not that all vegetarian rest. are clean and/or good...but anyway....it's free,and it's online.)
  • Howard Rhorque
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    An "unmentionable" topic is "married couples".
    This is especially important for Thailand -- and might be one of the reasons Simon did NOT include Thailand in his recommendations.

    I get emails from married couples who ask about living in Thailand.
    They simply don't know what is in store for them here.
    Here's a good example of a recent email:

    .....................................................................................................................
    > My wife and I are thinking of retiring to Thailand because of the low cost of living.
    .....................................................................................................................

    Here's my reply, mentioning the un-mentionable topic:

    "I wish I could be more encouraging to you, but, chances are very high that your marriage won't last here. As a white man, you will be a prime target for the local women. No joke: they won't stop coming at you, day and night. If you are married, so much the better, because you have already passed approval of another woman. And Thai woman can be very alluring, very tempting, and VERY available. Maybe that will be good for you, but it won't be good for your wife to find herself abandoned in a strange country on the other side of the world."

    Married couples: You've been warned -- about Thailand.

    Single men: Revenge is sweet, eh?

    -- Howard R.
    Thailand


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  • In my post above, I invited readers who are interested in life in Thailand to contact me.
    However my email was removed from the post, so I'll try again: howardrhorque@123mail.org

    If that doesn't work, then I can be found via this web page: http://shrinkify.com/1fg1
    Click on "email me" under the photo.

    - Howard
  • Latindog
    As an American you can't have "a multiple flags approach".
    It's a warm and fuzzy pipe dream.

    Only people from countries that don't have a territorial based taxed system can play the "multiple flag approach" game.

    As an American you are tracked. And try revoking your citizenship and see what happens.

    Multiple flags (PTing) was the creation of the great Harry Shultz for the purpose of avoiding taxes ond not being commited as a citizen to any one country.

    Try doing that as an American. You'll end up on "a list".
    In times like these it will bring you heat. Bank on it.

    The only strategy left for Americans is to go ALL In getting out or go home.
  • WasU
    not true. it's certainly easier to 'go all in' but there are ways -
  • Latindog
    WasU

    Not true?

    You don't think the IRS is not watching sites like these?

    You think customs can't run records on peeps making trips to offshore havens like Panama etc?

    You think the IRS doesn't have undercover ops in Panama, CI, etc?

    Unless the assets you move offshore aren't overweight what you have in the US it aint worth the risk.

    So, don't be naive. As an American your ONLY option now is to go "Colonel Kurtz"!
  • Howard Rhorque
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    I agree with Simon about Thailand:
    Life here would not fit many people.
    Plus, legal hurdles for long-term stay can be difficult for some.
    But for men over 50 -- who qualify for a retirement visa -- life in Thailand can be fascinating.
    So, even though Thailand is not on Simon's short list, I'll say a bit more about it; in particular, about life in Bangkok.

    From my perspective of four years living in Bangkok, everyday is fascinating.
    If you've only passed thru as a tourist, you may find this city overwhelming:
    huge amounts of noise, crowding, pollution.
    Plus a lot of poverty.
    You might wonder why any sane man would choose to live here.

    I've lived in a score of cities, in five countries, on four continents: Sydney, Vancouver, Boston, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Rio de Janeiro, and others.
    For a retired man, Bangkok is, by far, the best city I can imagine.
    Reasons are many.
    Here are a few:

    1. High quality rentals available at modest prices (but not cheap).
    2. Magnificent food, also at modest prices.
    3. Boundless respect and politeness from Thai people.
    4. Endless variety of entertainment: from concerts and lectures to go-go bars and second-hand bookshops.
    5. Everything you'd want "from home" from familiar foods to Western-size clothing.
    6. Reliable and low-cost Internet access: land-line or wireless.
    7. Plentiful gyms and swimming pools - with reasonable membership rates.
    8. A variety of other expats: middle-age men from Australia-New Zealand, UK, America, Canada, Europe and Scandinavia.
    9. Countless opportunities to meet delightful Thai women.
    10. Live far away from certain sour attitudes towards men that have become common in Western countries in recent years.

    Put the total package together, and you may never want to leave.

    But it's not just enough to land in Bangkok and expect all the delights served on a platter.
    It just doesn't work that way here.
    As in the rest of Asia, the most attractive elements are hidden behind screens and mirrors.
    What you see on the outside is not what is available on the inside.
    And that works two ways.

    On the surface Bangkok is dirty, crowded, polluted, noisy, and, well, there's no way around it: most of Bangkok is ugly.
    Ah, but once you find the hidden gems, then Bangkok opens its arms to welcome you, and beckons from behind the screens.
    That's the Bangkok I'll attempt to hint at here.

    There are many other web pages that refer you to the main tourist attractions and the popular areas of the Bangkok, and Thailand in general.
    I won't cover that same ground.
    Instead I'll offer glimpses of what it's like to live here, or to stay long-term; a few months or more.
    My focus is the man who is of an age and stage in life where he might consider living in Thailand for "the duration".

    Service in restaurants, shops, trains, etc. is respectful and eager, especially to middle-aged men.
    Are you getting respectful service in your home country?
    Here you'll get it every day.

    You can get virtually anything here that you got "back home".
    The size may be different, or the brand, but you'll get almost exactly what you want:
    Apple pie and ice cream. Vegemite. Oreo cookies. Branson's pickle. Peanut butter & jelly. Bacon & eggs. Popcorn (microwave or regular). Valveeta cheese. Lamb chops. Mint sauce. Crumpets. Bangers. Fresh bratwurst. Lingonberries. Herring in mustard sauce.
    It's all here, and more.

    Internet service is quick and cheap throughout Bangkok.
    Many hotels and serviced apartments have high speed lines to every room.

    There are many bookstores here, with used and new books in English.
    If you like to read, you need never be without a good book.

    There is no end to quality entertainment.
    If you like symphony, it's here.
    If you prefer jazz, that's here, too.
    There are music festivals and film festivals, food festivals and craft festivals, art shows and exhibitions in uncountable variety.

    If you like to eat, oh, my!
    Within a 10 minute subway ride from my location we have Italian, Japanese, German, Swiss, East-Indian, French, Vietnamese, Chinese, pizza, American, American BBQ, Mexican, Swedish, Danish, more Italian, vegetarian Italian, Australian, Irish pub, British pub, more Japanese, fish & chips, steak house, more British pubs, buffets of all kinds, and on and on.
    Oh, yes, countless Thai restaurants, too.
    That's just one neighborhood.
    There is also home delivery with Food-By-Phone, The Pizza Company, McDonalds, Burger King, and lots of others.
    If too lazy to go out, my building offers room service for everything from a cheeseburger with french fries and a Coke, to grilled lamb chops with mint sauce plus Ceasar salad and dessert of home-made apple strudel with vanilla creme sauce.
    And room service is available 24 hours.

    The serviced apartments are great.
    Everything is provided: phone, TV, sheets and towels, plates, cups and glassware, writing paper and envelopes, bathrobes and slippers, even toothbrush and toothpaste.
    In some cases a DVD player and microwave and a full kitchen.
    In my building, the maid comes in every day to bring fresh towels, wash the dishes, make the bed, empty the trash, mop the teak and marble floors, bring drinking water (unlimited and free) and generally make my life easy.
    She would even take my laundry, but I prefer to patronize a little, family-run laundry around the corner.
    If a lamp bulb burns out, the maid picks up the phone and calls the service desk.
    Within minutes, a maintenance man arrives to put in a new replacement.

    There are plenty of shops around here with a decent selection of men's clothes and shoes. Department stores have laid on Western sizes.
    The selection is not all you'll find back home, of course, but in the tropics, how much do you really need in the way of clothes?

    In Bangkok you certainly won't need a car.
    No insurance, no oil changes, no snow tyres/tires: none of that.
    Just wave your hand and a taxi will stop.
    35-100 baht just about anywhere you want to go.

    A smart expat will pay a bit more to live close to a skytrain or subway station in Bangkok.
    Quick, cheap (to us), and air-conditioned.
    I rarely go anywhere in Bangkok that is not close to either a skytrain or subway stop.

    In Thailand, people leave you alone.
    "Back there" I felt I had to watch every word, every motion - somebody might be offended at whatever I said or did.
    Why?
    Simply because I'm a middle-age, white man, who is educated and modestly prosperous.
    Those simple facts offend certain people back home.
    Here, there's none of that.
    In Thailand, people welcome normal men; not hate, despise, or ridicule them as so often was the case back home.

    In Bangkok there's air pollution.
    In Chicago, Manchester, Montreal, and Melbourne there's air pollution, too.
    I don't like it, but I'll take the whole package here, rather than endure what is on offer these days "back there".

    Bangkok and Thailand are certainly not for everybody.
    But for the adventurous man, with a high tolerance for "other cultures", this part of the world can offer a warm welcome.

    If any readers here have questions about retirement living in Thailand, I invite you to contact me.

    -- Howard


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  • Joe
    Howard,
    If you don't mind, I would like to pick your brain on Thailand. Can you please reply to me with your email? Thanks.
  • Joe
    Never mind, I see your email address below. Thanks.
  • Me
    Great points Simon and you really are providing excellent information here for your subscribers.

    Thailand...best way to stay for an extended period seems to be the good old educational visa. Not too expensive and requires no real "education". Basically you are just signing up to learn "Thai" and get granted a visa on that basis.

    What I would love to know from you Simon and Matt is what you think of regarding anonymous payments for things and banking for everyday stuff. Things like prepaid debit cards and the like. Always uncomfortable with using cards linked directly to accounts that hold anything of value which in turn may be linked to entities that are nobodies business. Any thoughts would be interesting.

    All the best.
  • Taylor White
    @ Simon,

    Great points about Thailand and Uruguay.

    I wanted to give my thought out list.

    No question in my mind - south east Asia and Latin America is where it is at. I want to stay away from big brother in all "first world" spots - whether thats North America, Europe, or down under.

    SE Asia -

    Malaysia
    Thailand
    Philippines


    Malaysia is off the radar for many people - thats why I like it. Can get residency, hold a bank account, buy real estate freehold - and KL makes a great hub. More people should be taking a serious look at it. Plus, since I am under 50 - the Malaysia My Second Home is perfect.

    http://www.mm2h.gov.my/

    Thailand gets my nod for WG Hill´s playground country. You really cant beat the Thai massage or oil massage, Thai food, tuk tuks, beaches, culture, and nightlife. Their tourist visa is a joke though. Owning real estate is a pain.

    Philippines is a poor mans Thailand - except its catholic and English speaking.

    Latin America -

    Panama
    Brazil
    Uruguay

    Panama has it all - then some. Banking, entities, real estate, Panama City nightlife, great hub. Ability to get residency and then citizenship and 2nd passport. I saw you mention Chiriqui in Panama before. Dont forget the Azuero area.

    Brazil is going off. 2014 World Cup, 2016 Olympics, and NE Brazil´s real estate is as hot a real estate market as there is right now. Mix in the nightlife, beaches, and ladies - its a no brainer. Fortaleza is a cant miss.

    Uruguay is a great spot to disappear to. Residency is the easiest IMO leads to citizenship and 2nd passport, shares the same beaches as Brazil - just more quiet. Set up entities and banking. Its the Panama of South America in regards to this.

    Readers cant forget how import getting residency - which leads to citizenship - which leads to a second (or third) passport is.

    Malaysia, Dominican Republic, Panama, Uruguay - are all good spots for this IMO. Especially if you are on a budget.
  • Taylor, my sis has visited lots of places in the world, and is one of the most tolerant travelers I know. For example, she'll take 12 hour bus rides through the countryside where everyone is throwing up, and the bus driver hands out ginger root to chew on to try and keep it all under control.

    So, when she says Kuala Lumpur is the only place in the whole world where she has ever been triggered into a crowd panic mode and mental shutdown, and when she says that it is the only place in the world that she would specifically avoid now, I listen carefully.
  • Quantella C. Owens
    Dear Mr. Black,


    Do you have a Black paper on Ecuador? I have been trying to make contact with am Ecuadorian knitter to try an import some sweaters and am having trouble finding a reliable way to reach her as well as handle the export process.


    Thanks,

    Quantella
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