How bankrupt governments will confiscate your gold

About two weeks ago, GoldMoney sent out an apologetic email to all of its Dutch customers. The email explained how the Dutch financial regulator (AFM) considered GoldMoney to be in violation of various licensing rules and compliance requirements.

Among other things, AFM indicated that GoldMoney was selling ‘investment objects’ without a license… something that they consider a heinous breach of their silly bureaucracy.

Now, there are so many technicalities involved here– whether physical metal constitutes ‘investment objects’ anymore than a collection of 80s action figures or a cellar of fine Bordeaux. Then there’s the jurisdictional issue– GoldMoney doesn’t even operate in the Netherlands, nor does the company sell its own inventory. Etc., etc.

None of these points seem to matter; the regulators have spoken, and as a consequence, GoldMoney is now closing the accounts of every customer living in the Netherlands.

It’s always troubling when governments go after firms like GoldMoney. The more signs I see, the more I’m starting to believe that we’re heading down a path where precious metals are once again confiscated, outlawed, or at least severely restricted in many countries.

Let’s start with the why. What possible sense would it make to reduce or restrict gold ownership?

Simple. The modern financial system is a complete joke. Money is conjured from thin air, backed by false promises from bankrupt governments. Then there’s the fractional reserve swindle, centrally planned interest rates, government-produced inflation, manufactured statistics, insane credit and sovereign debt bubbles, etc.

It’s a total fraud… and like any good con, it depends on just that: confidence.

In order for a system based on -nothing- to perpetuate, it’s imperative that it commands the confidence of the people within it. And people in rich western countries have been programmed since birth to believe that the colored pieces of paper circulating around in their economies are intrinsically ‘valuable’.

It’s funny, because developing countries already know it’s a scam. They don’t trust their governments, and they don’t trust those silly pieces of paper either. Out here in Asia is a great example– most of the region is very gold-oriented. They use paper as a medium of exchange, but it’s a cultural norm to save with gold.

In fact, when I walked into an Internet cafe earlier today here in Thailand, I noticed quite a few people at the computers checking out live gold charts (from Kitco).

People in western countries are just starting to get it… and as more people peek behind the curtain to see the true crimes being committed, the system will be finished.

The gold price is a constant reminder that the fiat financial system is a con job. And the higher the gold price becomes, the more people become aware. The political establishment will do whatever it takes to maintain the status quo, and it’s possible that precious metals restrictions will become a tactic:

Step 1: Just make gold ‘harder’. To buy. To transport. To own.

Think about the changes we’ve seen over the last two years; government-regulated exchanges are continually hiking their gold margin requirements, increasing investors’ burden to buy.

On the physical side, the US government buried some insane regulations deep within last year’s healthcare bill. The new rules required a mountain of paperwork such that anyone who purchased a single ounce of gold from a coin shop would have to submit a special 1099 form to the IRS.

(The rule was later modified under intense pressure from various lobby groups, but it still gives you a good idea of what these people are thinking…)

Then there’s the new Dodd-Frank legislation that makes it nearly impossible for US citizens to trade securities and commodities from overseas accounts beyond the reach of the federal government.

Then there’s the Liberty Dollar debacle in which the US government used obscure counterfeit laws to seize millions of dollars of silver coins that were owned by the firm’s customers!

Then earlier this year, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) issued new guidance requiring that US taxpayers who hold gold in certain offshore financial accounts report such holdings on their annual FBAR. Conveniently, this ruling put up a barrier for Americans to use GoldMoney.

GoldMoney’s battle with the Dutch regulators is just another example of governments making gold ownership more cumbersome.

Step 2: Plant seeds of doubt

We’re seeing signs of this as well. “Prominent” economists have been pounding the table against precious metals with vigor, and the propaganda ministry is focusing its efforts on gold’s recent price drop to make people believe that it’s dangerous to buy.

This recent media clip in which a reporter extols the virtues of the US dollar being backed by the federal government says it all. It’s already begun, and we should expect more.

Step 3: Tie gold to terrorism. Plant evidence.

Here are two incontrovertible facts: Westerners are petrified of Arab terrorists. The Arab world is a very gold-oriented society. It wouldn’t take much effort to link the two by suggesting (and planting evidence) that terrorists use gold to move money and finance their operations.

This will be surely be the next step… and if we start seeing this, you can bet your last ounce that restrictive controls are coming.

So what to do…?

If you live in a broke western nation, whatever you do, don’t store your gold in a bank safety deposit box. Bankers are unpaid government spies, so you might as well hang a sign up that says “please seize my assets”.

Ideally you want to move your gold out of the country. We’ve talked about anonymous boxes in Vienna’s Das Safe facility in the past, as well as Hong Kong’s The Storage. Both of these are great options to buy and store gold.

If you really want to take action, moving and storing gold overseas is a frequent topic in Sovereign Man: Confidential. If you subscribe today with a risk-free trial, you’ll get immediate access to our comprehensive ‘offshore gold’ intelligence, including unique solutions and members-only discounts with providers.

 

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  • http://BuyAndStoreGold.com BuyAndStoreGold

    GoldMoney is certainly a high visibility target. Fortunately, for now at least, one of GM’s competitors might be a more low key solution; as an added benefit, many of the fees are cheaper and it is MUCH easier to open accounts, including LLC’s.

    We have more info at our website

  • David

    Simon, thanks for the insights. Still waiting to hear more about your sustainable community in Chile. David

  • Alt_shih

    I emailed to The Storage in Hong Kong. After several emails, I finally determined that you MUST be a HK resident to rent one of their safety deposit boxes.

  • Anonymous

    Please explain how banks can open your safety deposit box without your key.

    • Kpage

      Just like they did in 1933. You cannot open your box without a govermnet official standing next to you. The boxes are officially “frozen” until a gov. official is in the room with you

    • Todd

      They don’t have to open the box, they just won’t let you have access to it.BUY a home safe …..end of story

    • sez me

      voxfox- Please tell me you’re just kidding! How the hell do you think they open it when you lose your key or the gubmint comes by w/ a court order?? It’s called an electric drill, doofus! Read your rental box agreement. It’ll spell out that you’ll be charged a fee for such service. Do you seriously believe that only you will be able to get into that box? You need some basic larnin’ fast.

      • The Dude

        I used to work for a company that serviced all manner of banking equipment, electronic, mechanical and otherwise. Many of the calls I made were for people who lost their safety deposit box key. It’s very, very easy to drill out, replace and rekey. Minus any professional finese a crowbar works too. 

    • Anonymous

      You really think they can’t??? Thanks for a good belly laugh this morning!  And so sorry for you….

      • Anonymous

        Too bad, like so many others, you opine from ignorance.  There are two keys required to open a safe deposit box.  Without both, one held by the customer and one held by the bank, the only way to open the box is to drill out the lock set. 

        If you think about it, no bank wants unemcumbered access to a safety deposit box.  It would leave them liable to innumerable claims regarding missing items claimed to have been taken without the depositor’s knowledge or consent.  That is why it is in the bank’s best interest to insure that it cannot open the box without destroying the lock and I will not bore you with the other details regarding the internal controls that are in use to insure that no bank employee has the opportunity to gain the access needed to open a box on their own, with or without a key.

        On the other hand, your imperial government has organized it where, on demand and without notice to the customer, it has the ability to force the bank to open the box, inventory the contents, report the findings and hold whatever the government wants at its command.

        Blame your damn government, not some poor bank clerk who is only trying to make a bare living while not being subjected to a $10,000.00 fine and up to 10 years in jail.

    • Guest

      The same way banks open your safe deposit box when you have LOST your key — drill it. 

    • Homeinspector_4u

      Are you for real? If you do not think they can get into your SDB you are part of the problem.

    • Problem Solver

      Under court order, a bank can be forced to open your box.  Also, locks are regularly compromised in situations where people lose keys.  Banks also have master keys for all the boxes.  They won’t admit it, but think about it….Apartment buildings aren’t supposed to access your flat without your permission and you know the landlord has a key, yet in emergency cases, lanlords are regularly requested to access your apartment.  Police can open vault, box or starage facility as long as they have a court order.  Guess who authorizes court orders?

      You got it…..The government! 

      However, no one can actually find your hidden valuables(unless you alert them to your hiding stop.  Sure, some lucky individual can stumble on to it by accident, but the likelihood of this happening (especially if you’ve been methotical about your hiding spot), is so astronomical that the adds are in the hundreds of millions to 1 that a stranger can actually stumble on to it.  Unless you’ve been foolish enough to tell someone and they actuall follow you (without your knowledge) and unearth it for themselves.

      No, the best way in my opinion to hide your gold (for this conversation) is to buy increments of 1 oz. gold neckchains (worth the same intrinsic denomination, less melt value).  If you like buying 1 oz. increments.  I’ve been hearing more and more of gold supplies starting to offer 1 oz. gold chains as an alternative to actual coin or bullion ownership.  A favorate for the claws of the government.  Unless the government is going to ban ownership of gold in any form, concentrating on non-gold coins or bullion would be your best bet.

      I happen to like coins or bars, but for sake of this conversation relative to saftey storage of gold, non-gold coins or bars would be the safeest way to go.

    • Dland

      How do they open your safe deposit box now if you lose your key?

    • Tbnyc

      a drill

  • samnjoeysgrama

    If your gold is here and in your IRA, it will be even easier.  They will just move to “protect” the masses of ignorant investors who have lost so much in the market crashes and aren’t bright enough to manage their own retirement.   They will then confiscate all IRA and 401Ks, and presto, all assets (including gold) will be theirs.

  • Anonymous
  • Noel Falconer

    Governments KNOW gold is a refuge from their pet thieving trick, printing today’s money, that they’ll repay in tomorrow’s inflated, less valuable currency.

    So OF COURSE they’re going to steal it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charles-F-Hughes/100000524316013 Charles F. Hughes

    Will gold be outlawed again?

  • Pt

    This was a sensible article until the end when you suggest storin gold abroad.  When the crash comes, you will never be able to travel to go get it.  Far better a hole in the garden and a treasure map, within walking distance. Dissapointed you do not see the full effects of the looming crisis, and are still bothered about making money.

  • Eric

    She’s better off buying bullion bars or coins as an investment or safe haven for her savings.  Calculate the actual gold content/worth of the jewelry based on karat and weight.  Then compare that to what she paid for it.  How much over gold spot price did she pay?  Several months back I took some old jewelry to a traveling road show promising to pay top dollar, they offered me about 20% of bullion value.  If she wants to unload the jewelry for paper money she will be taken to the cleaners.  Sounds like she has a jewelry fetish and someone is trying to justify it.

  • Anonymous

    There’s not going to be any way out but feet first like an old cowboy movie. A man is simply going to have to stand his ground and shoot it out until he gets dropped himself.

    Jeremia Johnson comes to mind…

  • Anonymous

    US companies are evading taxes by opening/operating an office in Ireland.
    But US citizen must pay income tax to US Gov if he is working in Ireland.
    Insider trading is legal to US Congress members.
    And insider trading is illegal to US Citizens.
    How long this hypocrisy will continue?

    • chimi

      sorry may i correct you, US citizen is paying tax to Great Britain, the IRS is not a us company, nor is it part of he government.

  • Anonymous

    US companies are evading taxes by opening/operating an office in Ireland.
    But US citizen must pay income tax to US Gov if he is working in Ireland.
    Insider trading is legal to US Congress members.
    And insider trading is illegal to US Citizens.
    How long this hypocrisy will continue?

  • Anonymous

    US companies are evading taxes by opening/operating an office in Ireland.
    But US citizen must pay income tax to US Gov if he is working in Ireland.
    Insider trading is legal to US Congress members.
    And insider trading is illegal to US Citizens.
    How long this hypocrisy will continue?

  • http://profiles.google.com/madnumismatist Mad Numismatist

    This came up elsewhere, so I thought I would share it here. When travelling customs can and will hassle you, as below it is the drug dealing, tax dodging, terrorist narrative. If your readers ever get stopped, it will help if you speak their language.

    When shipping internationally we use different tariff codes
    that identify every commodity. Under the unified tariff, acceptable in most countries, these are the codes you need:

    Of numismatic interest: 97050000
    Of 100 years old: 97060060
    Of gold NOT legal tender: 711810910

    Obviously no guarantee’s and definitely not advising you mislead, but being prepared is half the game.

    I hope this helps.

    • jimmy jimmy

      What you can do to get around customs is ship via FedEx, great idea if you want to vacation in Europe for a few weeks, just ship your luggage to the hotel ahead of you. In this way no issues with bringing along the things that will not make it past security. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/earl.conlon Earl Conlon

    The end of this story is the DUMBEST idea ever. if the economy collapses and your gold is stored overseas HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET TO IT?
    I would rather buy the gold and put it in a mason jar and burry it some where i could sneak back to in the middle of the night and dig it up if the GOV took my property away from me.

    • jimmy jimmy

      The idea is you will leave the USA to be with your gold. 

  • Anonymous

    And, why, pray tell, do you tolerate a government that makes
    this a problem?  Really, it is one of the
    “mysteries of life” to me why people in the US seem to have the attitude that
    there is nothing they can do when faced with another unauthorized infringement
    of their liberty and rights by a government that is more and more defined by
    its disrespect  for either.

    In the series of soap box, ballot box, jury box and
    cartridge box, you have not even begun to exhaust the first option.  Whatever, in God’s name, will it take to avail
    yourselves of all of them?

  • Wally

    Yes,  this is a commercial.  But after reading the article and the the  mostly uninformed comments,  I could not sit idly by and not offer the  most viable option and solution to the “confiscation” dilemma.  For the answer you all are seeking,  I direct you to this website.  The world’s first and only Private Global Currency Exchange System where  Fiat paper currency (paper money) can be exchanged for 999.9 kine-bar quality bullion. http://vur.me/wallyp/yW
     

  • Wtia

    Do you good folks not know the story of the original, e-gold? And do you not know that the Swiss have already surrendered to the U.S. Government? You really should educate yourselves about e-gold, if you do not know that the U.S. Treasury stole all of it, regardless of legitimacy, period. Read up on part of it, NOT all of it, of course, at e-gold.com

  • Anonymous

    Quote: “Ideally you want to move your gold out of the country.”

    Fucking hilarious! I can just envision someone going through U.S. customs with suitcase full of gold bullion. Better yet, taking a crate of gold to UPS shipping office to send to Vienna. 

    Moving gold around the world is for rich and connected. For the rest of us its jewelry hanging around neck. 

    Oh, wait! I can tell anyone how to buy gold at Gazprom Bank in Russia and store it in their safe deposit boxes. No chance that bank ever gets raided by IRS. There’s a chance it can be seized by FSB (former KGB) though.

  • souldefender

    Planetnews, 
         If a candidate doesn’t know a nickel from a gold bar I don’t care and you shouldn’t either. There is ONE problem and ONE problem only. “OPEN BORDERS” Everything that will bring this nation down, that is controllable (not the finances), hinges on the invasion from Hamas and the drug cartels in Mexico and South America. Those 2,000 guns were just a drop in the bucket to what is actually being sent to Hamas by Obama and Holder. You fools all sit around worrying about the economy just like they hoped you would. While they arm the invasion force that will split this country in half from Texas to North Dakota. The prisons in California are filled with the leaders of “Aztlan”. The new Mexican territory and government that will rule the western half of what was the United States. Check the illegal immigrant massing locations in this country. They are strategically positioned in mass from north to south. The plans are drawn, Mex Mafia and Nuestra Familia prisoners have them.     Why on earth do you think the Socialista Obama traitors are so vehemently opposed to fences and troops on our borders? Does it make any sense to anyone with a brain to leave these open sores infecting this nation? If you knew 1/100th of what goes on in Arizona, New Mexico and Texas you would be marching on the White House demanding the borders closed militarily. But the complicit media just covers up and does as they are told to stay on the air and make money. How many times have you seen a really damaging news report about the administration air once and disappear? I can name ten in the last two weeks. Find out what really happened in San Antonio Texas with the supposedly just drunk and mischievous Muslim kids (30 year old Iranians), all bullshit all the time.     I COME FROM A BARRIO IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, I know exactly what is happening. I am fluent in Spanish and know of  the very heavy hitters in the movements. I know who the largest drug dealers in Mexico are, (Army Generals). How do you think the cartel leaders stay alive and in control of their turf? Wake up Americans, Iran is supporting this invasion and Obama is waiting to be the Supreme Leader of the New World Order with its headquarters in what was the eastern half of the United States. Sharia Law will be THE LAW. Could they find a more ready made totalitarian religious structure to control the masses?     Virtual Cable TV is only guy that really understands what is going to happen. Date? Election 2012. Without our military on the border and ready they will cut a swath through the middle of this nation in a week. At the same time they will be attacking from the coast inland cutting Oregon and Washington off from the rest of the nation. The south will be the last area to be attacked, knowing the serious loss of life the armed south will inflict on their troops. The pussified unarmed cities in the west will be a cake walk. San Francisco will be the headquarters of the new Aztlan.     If you think I’m a lunatic, that is just what the administration wants you to think. Mark my words, it will prove my validity. “Iran will walk into Iraq without a shot fired and Obama will just talk about the tragedy and move on.” Obama is letting Syria cut down its people fighting for democracy, like so much wheat, with machine guns in the streets. If you think it won’t happen here, you are part of the problem.      Gun and ammunition sales are skyrocketing in this nation as the smart people realize the happenings now are just the precursors to the unavoidable battles coming. Where will you be when the well organized, automatic weapon armed Mexican Militias are marching through your streets, killing your neighbors and family members? What are you doing on your time off now lemming? Watching the shinny metal objects, football, baseball, racing or what for distraction? You should be out practicing your shooting skills and getting your area militias together. Scary isn’t it. Well, sorry its true. The Socialista One World Order doesn’t want you to realize this.    Why do you think they have the news media hamstrung and gagged on all this border murder and mayhem? Do you know that an average of ten Americans a month in the desert southwest are kidnapped and held for ransom with NONE of them ever returning? Do you know that border patrol agents are being killed every month now? Do you know ranchers in three states are being killed on their own land monthly along the border? These are American citizens in our own country being murdered by FOREIGN MILITARY FORCES while our president does nothing except send military weapons to them by back channels. WAKE UP AMERICANS YOU ARE ABOUT TO BE ATTACKED AND KILLED IN YOUR OWN LAND.     God bless us and help us because this once great nations future is in the hands of a complicit media, a socialist Muslim president and complicit elite who doesn’t give a damn about you and yours.      

  • RUSS SMITH

    Hi!, Everyone:
       What part of: “Lay not up for yourselves treasures on Earth where thieves break in and steal” don’t we understand?  How old is thievery and when will it ever end no man knows but it always attempts to prevail doesn’t it?  The more things change the more they remain the same; even if you try to rename it socialism?

    RUSS SMITH, CALIFORNIA

  • http://www.ronpaulhemp.com/ Ron Paul Hemp

    Ron Paul – Sound Money in 2012!

  • http://www.PeteSisco.com/ Pete Sisco

    There won’t be any sound money in the EU or the US until after their currencies collapse. Even then they might opt for Fiat 2.0. In the meantime the only thing the ‘little guy’ can do is to hold gold and make a plan for the turmoil.

  • Howard Roark

    Gold is a joke, too, Simon. The price is artificially and arbitrarily set each morning by self-serving idiots in the Bank of England. THAT’s real value? Come on. The only sure thing is agriculturally productive land, assuming that one can adequately preserve ownership of it.

  • Howard Roark

     Plenty of reasons, like kids, grandkids, great local church, and the GREAT Chicago Bears!

  • Howard Roark

     subee is exactly right.

  • justin

    You cant eat gold, or give it to a person with a nasty infection to help them get well, water filters, antibiotics, guns, ammo,( lots and lots of ammo), crossbows , solar panels, rechargeable batteries, night vision goggles, good guard dogs, kevlar vests, quality shoes and boots,
    ( you do realize that ALL shoes and boots come from China now right?)
    etc are gonna be waaay more useful than some shiny metal.

    with gold you are making a rather large assumption that someone will be willing to accept your gold in exchange for whatever it is that you need to stay alive a few more days. And that when you attempt to exchange it, that they will not just steal your gold and give you nothing in return,

    if you have the $$ to buy gold, just go ahead and buy whatever suppplies you would need to survive for at least 12 months,

    And the part about storing gold halfway around the world??

    laughable.

    this article is apparently for billionaires, who just hop in a jet and go anywhere.

    I do remember reading an article about some soviet dissident that managed to get all his money out past the customs agents, by selling everything, buying platinum wire, fashioning the wire into 2 coathangers and leaving with only an extra change of clothes, which they searched several times to be sure he wasnt taking money out of the country.

    • http://oahutrading.blogspot.com/ steveo77

      That would be like $6000, give me a break

  • http://www.facebook.com/sokoyeocha Samuel Okoyeocha

    it is obvious that gold price will hit $200/ounce within few months, how i wish that gold is easily obtained in my country

  • andrea

    I am afraid that all this “gold” saving , transporting is just not going to work for anybody, Banks or other ” gold buyers” will just pay you “say $50,00″ bux for your 1 oz gold you paid 850 or more for, because you are bringing it to them you will also get arrested for non- compliance of former government issued confiscation or voluntary “hand overs: ,
    Where are you going to get fair market value for your gold? if no one is legally allowed to buy it from you? Besides, what are you going to get back ,? US dollars of $O.OO value? or maybe 1000.00 so you can buy half the goods in a shopping cart? , I say BUY goods NOW for your worthless paper dollars, and build a strong “holding” place . IF you want to you could store gold, and wait out the “gold grabbing” but then if the gold price is again manipulated ( by the big gold owners) what do you buy for it? “Little people” never win, if you truly want to keep your gold and get for it what it is worth on that market day , MOVE OUT OF THE USA!! while you still can , without being “shaken down” for all you got , remember Obummer ( i cannot speak his name) is from CHICAGO , the MOST corrupt and murderous city in the world. you simple cannot get away from murderers and corrupt villains that you voted into office. Pretend you have nothing , and they will not want to talk to you. Of course you cannot move anything either . SO sad, that a great nation like this is falling , by people that did not care and still don’t today , as long as they get their welfare and free phone minute’s they will sell their own Family.

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