Guangzhou South Station: something out of a zombie movie

July 7, 2011
Wuhan, China

When I left my hotel bound for the new Guangzhou South Station the other day , I didn’t know much about the station– where it was, how far from the hotel, etc. After about 25 or 30 minutes in the cab, I still hadn’t seen any signs for the station and grew concerned that the cabbie was just taking me for a ride.

As we eventually approached the station, I began to understand why it was so far out of town.  Clearly, the only way they could find enough contiguous land to build this monstrosity was to go WAY into to the outskirts of the city.

In the end, it was a 27.82 kilometer (17.39 miles) cab ride from my downtown hotel, and took 49 minutes to get there.  I know this because Chinese taxis are very efficient and give you a highly detailed receipt.

Guangzhou South Station is absolutely COLOSSAL.  By comparison, it is much bigger than any of the 3 international airport terminals in Manila where I live… and I’d say it’s over 8 times larger than the Central Airport Express Station in Hong Kong.

For a start, the Guangzhou South Station is built on THREE levels.  I was dropped off at level 2.  When I entered there was an “Information” booth straight ahead.  It was unstaffed.  In fact, the entire second level was completely deserted.  Very spooky. It was something out of a low-budget zombie movie.

Untitled3 225x300 Guangzhou South Station: something out of a zombie movie

I went downstairs to the ticketing area where there were a few signs of life. Of the forty or so ticket windows, well over half were closed, and there were only a few dozen people mulling about. To give you an idea of density, imagine the largest football stadium you can think of with only a few hundred people inside. Ghost town.

Untitled2 225x300 Guangzhou South Station: something out of a zombie movieWith ticket in hand, I went up to the departures area… it defies logic that you have to go upstairs to departures even though the trains are at the ground level, but my guess is that the Party really wanted to build a third level just to heighten the grandeur of the train station.

Now, you’d think that if they spent so much money building a station this large, they would be expecting hundreds of trains steaming in and out at all hours of the day. Not by long shot. There was only one train at the platforms. Mine.

It was the same zombie movie theme– areas the size of multiple football fields with hardly any passengers standing around.  And yet, throughout the entire station over all three levels was expensive, high quality marble tiles and artistic finishings, all polished to a mirrored shine.

Guangzhou South Station is truly a monument to excess, exemplifying China’s ruinous “build it and they will come” attitude.

When I arrived to Wuhan about 4-hours later (going 300 km per hour on the high speed bullet train), it was the same theme: acres of empty space, hardly a soul in sight, yet all very modern and marbled with dozens of elevators and abandoned information booths. When my train pulled in, it was the only one at the platforms.

Frankly, the whole episode reminded me of Bangkok and Hong Kong airports during the SARS epidemic back in 2003.  I observed this firsthand– passenger traffic cratered because most people were scared silly of catching the deadly virus, and major airports were practically empty.

Similarly, it’s what you would expect Grand Central Station to look like after a flesh-eating virus outbreak.

It’s interesting to note that China’s National Audit Office (NAO) recently published a report which says the country’s outstanding local government debt is now equivalent to $1.7 TRILLION. That’s a huge figure — about 27% of China’s GDP in 2010.

Because the NAO’s figure was based only on a sampling of 6,500 local government-backed financial vehicles (out of more than 10,000 such vehicles nationwide), the actual magnitude of local government indebtedness is likely to be much greater.  China’s own Central Bank estimates the number to be 30% higher than the NAO figure.

All of this certainly begs the question– how many more empty buildings and unused train stations can they possibly build?  More importantly, what happens to China’s economy when all this fixed asset spending starts to subside?  I’ll explore these questions more in the coming days… but in the meantime, I’d like to hear what you think about it.

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  • Rob Wilson

    When it goes, it’s gonna go big! 2008 will seem like a distant memory when all this excess collapses around us.

    • MikeyrInFL

      Agreed. The question is to what degree with the US go down with it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jay.twila Jay Twila

    The People’s Republic of China is a paper tiger. Recently, a law was passed making it difficult for Chinese citizens to acquire more than 1 property at a time in a “first tier” city. The government in Beijing is scared to death of a U.S. style “housing crash.” Can’t say I quite blame them.

    India and Brazil are the countries to watch. China also has legitimacy issues that Brazil and India lack.

    • http://twitter.com/JadeQueen Mary Saunders

      I was really interested in the observation that there was a detailed cab receipt.  

      The challenge everywhere is transparency.  In Taoism, which may be in a kind of underground resurgency in China, along with Buddhism, there is the notion of a kitchen god, who tracks good and bad behaviors.  My guess is there are parts of China where a kitchen-god outlook is going on.  These parts will do better, but as I do not speak Mandarin or Cantonese, I do not feel competent to parse this.  I do think there are investors who probably can.  

      I agree that Brazil is probably on a good trajectory.  There are parts of Brazil that are amazingly transparent.  See SEMCO, now a world model much admired at MIT, and Curitiba, a city much admired around the world.  Its former mayor has a wonderful TED talk.

      • MikeyrInFL

        The famous investor Jim Rogers says his children are learning Mandarin at his insistence. He has extolled the virtues of China for some time. I still don’t completely understand why. Maybe I’m just not smart enough to get it.

    • MikeyrInFL

      Brazil and India lack “legitimacy issues?” Really?

  • http://twitter.com/JadeQueen Mary Saunders

    I think they are using dollars before the dollars tank, and they are employing people.  

    As I looked at the second photo, above, permie (permaculturist) that I am, I could see all sorts of potential for that space.  Epcot came to my mind, with vanilla beans and crazy exotic fruits, which a Chinese horticulturist could easily use dollars to cultivate.

    I am reminded of how Chinese economic students laughed, in spite of themselves, when Geithner tried to tell them stuff that he pulls over on U.S. mainstream journalists (this was reported on Seeking Alpha).

    China seeks the world for the best architects and designers.  See the design for Lang Fang by Janine Benyus (of multiple TED-talk fame) and HOK.

    If we get better federal leadership the next time around, the U.S. will do well, when forced to at the very last minute.

  • http://twitter.com/pdtrading Peter Davis

    I find the media’s love fest with China to be more than a little funny. I’ve been hearing about this same stuff for a while. Seems to be like the global powers are playing a massive shell game.

    It is truly amazing to me that people can collectively be so stupid. But as Tommy Lee Jones summed it up in Men in Black:

    “A person is smart. People are dumb.”

  • Anonymous

    id say plant food , buy silver and lots of basic supplies . nasa has a great list of emergency supplies listed for its employes on its website. the list are also open to the public. btw , nasa has issued an alert for its employees . it seems space is about to get unfriendly.
    as for china , its a wholly owed illuminati construct. good luck.

  • http://twitter.com/MichaelSeyfried Michael Seyfried

    If the people who are buying OUR debt don’t have any more sense than we do about wasting money then I guess that we are all doomed, doomed I say!!!

  • MikeyrInFL

    Remember this country is run by a committee. The best definition of a committee is “a human organism composed of three or more legs and no brain.”  :p

  • http://twitter.com/MichaelPorfirio Michael Mason

    Looks like a great place for an Extacy party.

    On another note, America shouldn’t have outlawed those.  If they were still around, they would be one of the few reasons to live there.

    - MPM

  • http://www.facebook.com/frank.dobner Frank Dobner

    There is also an article from today’s New York Times on the debt risk that is happening because of the infrastructure build-up in China. Check it out.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/07/business/global/building-binge-by-chinas-cities-threatens-countrys-economic-boom.html?_r=1&hp

  • Warren Rekow

    Now we see that the economies of the US, Europe, and China are all tottering on shaky financial footings. Looking at this prospect for global calamity, it may be that those who successfully survive the prospective challenges could find they have considerable new opportunities available. So, how to successfully endure, and maintain clarity of thought and insight in order to see and act upon opportunities?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1224238488 Sterling Michaels Munce

    It seriously looks like there is a significant opportunity for Americans who are level headed to seize opportunities in China like these vacant cities by understanding that, in reality China has just over 2.1 Billion citizens and not the 1.3 -4 billion that we are being told and that they will be soon migrating those billions to these empty cities out of absolute necessity and will write off the cost of building these 250 cities (which are all about the size of Austin Texas according to an expert on China – sorry no time to source his name and book) but Americans who are able to ride the tide of opportunities that are crawling along instead of steaming along a few years ago – have the possibility of bringing commerce to China that does not yet exist but WILL exist soon out of absolute necessity.

    The world will not collapse but the infrastructure of economics as we know it MUST collapse as it is a International House Of Play Cards and IHOPs will soon have more substance than the world commerce -lol

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AGT5FTVGPEDG5PCO2WFMCUG5WI hackenzac

    It’s like Dubai but bigger, the mother of all pump and dumps with tax payers for the foreseeable future everywhere holding the bag. 

  • Charles

    I visited China a year before the crash and things were definitely booming. But I noticed that their infrastructure at all levels was not keeping up. I agree that debt, ghost cities, corruption, unchecked growth, lack of transparency, social unrest, etc. are threats that could trigger downturn in the future. The other thing was the pollution and evironmental damage; I believe that’s another epic crisis looming. China will face some serious challenges in the near future, no question. Do your homework before riding that so called “gravy train”.

  • Piolenc

    There’s no question that China is heading for a fall, but that brings up the question of what happens after. I live in the Philippines, and China is the 800-pound gorilla of this region. What happens to her neighbors when China goes looking for a “short, victorious war” to dampen internal dissent? Taiwan is the obvious target, but the Philippines will have to be neutralized to guard the flanks.

  • TC

    I experienced the same strange feeling when I was in china just after the 2008 Olympics. I took the high speed train Form Beijing to Tianjin and both terminals were extremely large and very very empty. Unfortunately our host insisted on driving us back to Beijing and I got to experience the famed 6 hour traffic jam getting back into the city, not to mention all the checkpoints you have to go through to prove you allowed in the city.
    I think the most bizarre “empty building” complex I saw in China during my trip I went to the China/Siberian boarder in a small boarder town just outside of Hegang. We were vising friends when the local mayor heard an “American” was in town and insisted we visit his museum he was building. It was a large building in the middle of the woods and it was a rather nice cultural museum but it was very very empty. It wasn’t just the museum this was supposed to be tourist season and the entire town was dead. I remember saying to my girlfriend that we are in the middle of a zombie apocalypse.  
    However, I think the craziest experience I had in China was in a small airport in Jiamusi. I was a approached by the only other two Americans and they started questioning me rather sternly as to why I was so far north in China and who I knew. I told them I could ask the same thing and why the CIA cares about my vacation in China. Their faces went white and they broke off conversation with me and got in the next cab into town.

  • DCObserver

    Thanks Tim for an insightful sharing. It’s always helpful to have on-the-ground info to complete the big picture. I’m from Hong Kong and have heard quite a few stories about doing business in China back 5-10 yrs ago, and they’re most stories of people and companies being burned – back then, there is this saying going around: as a foreigner, if you want to succeed in business in China, there are only 3 ways: 1) invest in and do a small business that’s worth under HKD 100k (tiny business that doesn’t attract too much attention), or 2) invest in and do a mega business worth over HKD 100 million (so that you have clout), or 3) cheat them more than they cheat you. Now I don’t necessarily agree that these are the only three ways, but it does shows the kind of business environment that some parts of China can be. Having said that, because I’ve really lived close to it to see things going on there (and not to say I have no bias because I’m not really on-the-ground inside China), I’ve also marveled at the way things have changed for good in China in such a short period of time, in the last few decades. We do have to remember two things when thinking about China – 1) that it’s a really huge population, and it’s a really tough job to manage and lead such a mass of people – in all fairness, I’d say China has done a much better job than many other large countries in managing its growth and gradually raising the overall standard of living of its people, all the while while keeping this whole mass of people together without much large-scale breakup and without going into a deep pit of corruption like India, and despite some bad horses here and there, overall they do have a good government and good leaders that care about the people’s welfare while they take care of their own interests (unfortunately, I’m not sure we can say the same for the US gov’t here – it seems that in the capitol it’s just self interest and corruption at the expense of the people); and 2) China is on the way up, from being a developing nation to a superpower, and it probably makes sense to draw an analogy of China to a new entrepreneurial startup – what does a new startup do? many of them focus a large part of their energy, time and resources in building up excess capacities, whether it’s intellectual, IP, assets intangible and probably tangible, and other things – primarily because they are expecting a high growth in the coming future. So the early startup stage is also a heavy investment stage, and I think we may be seeing a lot of that happening with the empty buildings and also the high saving rate of the middle class. When the high growth and expansion period comes, a startup will have far less time and energy to put into building up capacity, even if they then have more resources to do so, because then they have to focus on production and operation. So from this angle, perhaps you might say that China is building infrastructure and making investment for becoming a superpower, and that it has been going through that phase in order that it could take up the superpower role later on.
    Just my two cents, comments and correction welcome. Thank you.

  • Keith Leblanc

    Thank you for adding pictures! It is hard to imagine without them. I have no idea why these terminals would be empty with the population being so high in China. I have seen video’s of train stations in China that were so packed, they had to have porters shove people in by force. Maybe they are trying to ensure that this never happens again. I wish I could post the video here. Maybe I can email it?

  • Englishvinal

    You mean like the CEO of Pan Am did?

  • Jarhead

    Building empty apartments and train stations makes more sense to me than than giving billions of dollars to the gloabalist bankers so they can sit around giving each other 26 million dollar bonuses for absolutely nothing. Much more sense.

  • Dpostma

    What happens when China can no longer sustain this type of activity. I mean it seems to me the primary reason for building this type of infrastructure now is simply to employ millions of people and sort of re-circulate their economy. My question is what happens when , for what ever reason the money runs out? At what point does our debt to them play a huge and desperate factor in this? Very scary and eerie

  • Jdespautz2

    I spent 4+ years in Hong Kong and China – Shanghi and Suzhou – and was amazed at how many subdivisions of 25 to 50 floors are dark in the evening and early morning. No one in the new facility that I was working at lived in areas around the site and traveled Friday to Morning in Ninjing and other surrounding cities up to 120 KM. All had no plans to move around the site in Souzhou.

  • Steventamar

    China has been overbuilt for the past 20 years in infrastructure. I travel between Hong Kong and S. China oftern.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/RepublicConstitution?feature=mhum TruthRegimes

    China has BIG plans for the future of their nation.  The U.S. has zero plans for the future.  The U.S. infrastructure is collapsing into a mess.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000147275209 Jake Hall

    China is overbuilding. Once we stop being able to afford Chinese goods, who will buy them? My nation is the least productive thanks to bass-ackward trade deals, while the Europeans are more productive, more INNOVATIVE, and haven’t shredded their protectionist trade policies outside of the EU trade treaties.

    China will come when we kick the bucket. It won’t be pretty; a nation with 900 million peasants/working class stuck in a revolution with a destruction thus far unseen in human history.

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  • Anonymous

    China has more money than what it knows what to do with.

    If they are expecting inflation what’s wrong with building things now, before the cost of building it in the future rises?

    Have some assets or buy more US treasuries? It’s a tester isn’t it?

  • http://twitter.com/bandholz Eric Bandholz

    Look to the sky for your answer.

  • Dragos2112

    Interesting.
    Same as Arizona and its empty cities/suburbs…
    Am at a loss as to where all this is going, as none of it makes sense.
    Things adjust without merit or real support, etc.
    Doesn’t look like any part of the world is immune to the ghost capital, but everyone is on some sort of mystery ship sailing off into a great unknown…?
    On a practical basis, I ask exactly how much of anyone’s holdings one can drink or eat…?
    Too many wanna-bees, who believe that a load of those left will follow them; and this after those in charge tried to starve them.
    Looks like most will be busy seeing to their own no matter what their position, military, police, etc.
    I hope the coming social unrest includes a really new start, a regression back towards those times when there was either substance or you went hungry.
    This ain’t gonna be pretty…great depression indeed!   

  • Onlyihavethisname

    yeah, they are criticizing them because they have had the sense to do some forward planning! Unlike in UK where they just build something and many years later it is horribly overcrowded, a complete chaos, and nobody knows where to go because new bits are continually added on.

  • regnad kcin

    Tim, It might have been more accurate if you had reported on the crowd situation in Guangzhou Main Station particularly the millions who flow (!) through Guangzhou Main Station in the Spring Festival.  For those who lack understanding of the Chinese Situation it is very easy to find fault with the system, and much more difficult to do anything positive to help the people.

    It seems to be popular to write about Ghost Towns in China and those who live half way around the world from China have no way to know the truth about what is going on here.  How about an article revealing the distortion generating Western media (even underground media like Sovereign Man) that writes about ghost towns.  Maybe you could find a ghost writer for such a piece?

  • James

    The author obviously don’t know China and its plan. The Guangzhou station is one of the key hub for a network of high speed trains running all over China. You can reach Beijing from Hong Kong in just 7 hours. It will be an achievement that will shock the world. As we speak, the Shenzhen Guangzhou line will start this month, making the trip in just 30 minutes. Really sweet!

  • Allan

    Hi Ed,
    I am a retired CA real estate consultant living in China.  I was in Guangzhou on July 7, 2011 and the city was packed with people as usual.  As far as the new train station goes it usually take a little time before people get adapted to it.  There are buses, limos and private cars as other options   As far as China’s real estate market goes… apartments and condos are selling extremely well!  Of course the controlled media have been ordered to trash China’s economy at all cost!  However, they can’t fool the more sophisticated Americans tho.
    China came a long way within ten years; hence, there are still much work to be done… after all, 14 billion is quite a population for any government to handle. The Chinese government’s intention is to improve their citizens living quality and working environment and things are improving everyday as we speak.

  • Avantr

    fast trains will never be responsible for that size facility to be that empty
    no one likes hanging out in train stations – but why would a facility be built that gigantic with only one train running through at a time ????

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Emmanuel-Goldstein/100002221228322 Emmanuel Goldstein

    You forget your important point of view. Some sites have “dual use” in mind. They can be used for other things, when times comes (like a War, etc, etc). This is all over the world, there are many buildings with “dual use” in mind.

  • Anonymous

    When i was there last year i had to wait over an hour to get on a train because they were all full. I think the trains leave every 20 mins. Amazing trip. That station is utterly incredible. Anyway school finishes this week, next week the school holidays start so it will be full on. Try getting a train then.

  • Anonymous

    Well of course Centrally planned states needs empty railway stations FOR THEIR EMPTY CITIES, in our 1984 world this makes perfect sense to me. Great example of government allocation of resources. Who cares that these are empty- the friends of the Communist party made a great deal of money building this stuff, just like over here (  “Green Jobs” – GE windmills etc; anybody ? )  

    Apparently the Chi-Coms at least got something real for their “stimulus”, we just got 1 $ TRILLION laundered through the Democrat party and their followers. Obama actually chuckled when he said “Shovel-ready was not as shovel-ready as we expected,”

    As far as this Radical-In-Chief goes, I am reminded of the quote :
    “If
    you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually
    come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the
    State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military
    consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the
    State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the
    mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the
    greatest enemy of the State.”
      Joseph Goebbels

  • Diogenes_

     They aren’t better. They drive up costs of valuable capital like steel,money and energy that would have been better used by actual entrepreneurs. If people on unemployment are paid to do anyhting, it should only be looking for a job.

    • Simon

      @d02dce14f7d2a2b24a02f2b4ffd281a2:disqus that comment is only valid if the money is being wasted on infrastructure that isn’t going to be used. If it’s planning for the future and improving the nation’s capital assets, then it isn’t necessarily true that it can be used more efficiently by others.  I’m not saying you are wrong, just saying that there’s a big “if” you have to mention.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X2G5N3YBKM64XYUE6IPTPP55RU Harold

    Wow, what a joke of a writeup and obvious propaganda targeted against a nation that the author has not even an inkling of an idea about.  China builds serious infrastructure and tends to do it right.  China also plans for the future.  This station is planned to be a major hub in the very near future and was built to handle that capacity.  Go take a look at Beijing South station, it’s the second largest in Asia and constantly packed.  High speed rail tickets are cheaper than flying and the difference in time is negligible.  Seeing as airports are constantly packed, this is a great alternate and the national investment is very much worth it.  Come time for CNY, every one of these stations will be packed, as air travel has been overcrowded for years now.  

    As mentioned in other comments, China does not plan for “average usage”, China plans for “peak usage” and “future usage”.

    Removing stress on regular rail also allows for more freight which is desperately needed.  I have lived in China for 7 years now and have many friends who have lived here for 20+.  It seems as if the only ones who share the opinions of the author have either never been here or have been here a few weeks at most before running off to tell of “strange stories from the orient”.  Get over it, China is not the US, China will never be the US, no matter how much you rant and rave and spin lies, China isn’t going to fail.  We have a government that actually gives a damn about the people.

    As a final note, I do not really understand why the author chose to take a taxi, there is a perfectly fine subway line that goes direct to the station.  This is a common theme for all major stations now, allowing for seamless mass transit.  Just today, in fact, I got on the subway outside of my hotel in Nanjing, rode it to Nanjing South, got on the G120 to Beijing (all non-stop trains were sold out), arrived at Beijing South, took the 4 to the 10 and the 10 to the 13 and walked approximately 1km back home (yes, I could have taken the bus if I wanted to).  Total time of journey? About 5 hours from my hotel in Nanjing to my home in Beijing, no cars required.  Total price? 450RMB, which is entirely reasonable.  Over here, I know what my tax dollars pay for because I reap the benefits of the investments.  What do your tax dollars pay for?

    • http://www.referencepointtherapy.com/blog Simon R

      Harold, I appreciate your boots on the ground comments.

      However I feel that in your enthusiasm for Chinese investment, you might have missed one of the key points of the article which is “can they keep paying for this?”.

      Investing for future peak demand, rather than present-day sustainable demand, is expensive because you don’t have the revenue stream to repay the investment.  And that was what I got from this article – contrast current debt levels with current revenue streams.  It’s no good talking about future revenue projections if you can’t pay today’s bill.

      I am not invalidating your points, merely saying that it’s a complicated issue – much more complicated than your reply indicates.  I get that you love the trains, and everything is great whilst the economy is moving.  The question is only “is this sustainable?”.

      cheers
      Simon R

  • Ken

    In preparation for the 2008 Olympics, many of Beijing’s older architectural treasures underwent extensive restoration before the Games. Olympics-timed and partly Olympics-driven infrastructure projects, including subways, roads, a rail link to the airport
    and its new world’s-largest terminal, and environmental improvements were part of a $41 Billion pre-Games construction blitz.

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