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Lessons from the fall of Rome

November 29, 2010
Katoomba, New South Wales, Australia

In 43 BC, over 2,000 years ago, warring consuls Antony, Lepidus, and Octavian were duking it out with each other over control of Rome following Julius Caesar’s assassination the prior March.

Each had legions at his disposal, and Rome’s terrified Senate sat on its hands waiting for the outcome.

Ultimately, the three men chose to unite their powers and rule Rome together in what became known as the Second Triumvirate. This body was established by a law named lex Titia on this date (give or take depending on how you convert the Roman calendar) in 43 BC.

The foundation of the Second Triumvirate is of tremendous historical importance: as the group wielded dictatorial powers, it represents the final nail in the coffin in Rome’s transition from republic to malignant autocracy.

The Second Triumvirate expired after 10-years, upon which Octavian waged war on his partners once again, resulting in Mark Antony’s famed suicide with Cleopatra in 31 BC. Octavian was eventually rewarded with rich title and nearly supreme power, and he is generally regarded as Rome’s first emperor.

Things only got worse from there. Tiberius, Octavian’s successor, was a paranoid deviant with a lust for executions. He spent the last decade of his reign completely detached from Rome, living in Capri.

Following Tiberius was Caligula, infamous for his moral depravity and insanity. According to Roman historians Suetonius and Cassius Dio, Tiberius would send his legions on pointless marches and turned his palace into a bordello of such repute that it inspired the 1979 porno film named for him.

Caligula was followed by Claudius, a stammering, slobbering, confused man as described by his contemporaries. Then there was Nero, who not only managed to burn down his city but was also the first emperor to debase the value of Rome’s currency.

You know the rest of the story– Romans watched their leadership and country get worse and worse.

All along the way, there were two types of people: the first group were folks that figured, “This has GOT to be the bottom, it can only get better from here.” Their patriotism was rewarded with reduced civil liberties, higher taxes, insane despots, and a polluted currency.

The other group consisted of people who looked at the warning signs and thought, “I have to get out of here.” They followed their instincts and moved on to other places where they could build their lives, survive, and prosper.

I’m raising this point because I’d like to open a debate. Some consider the latter idea of expatriating to be akin to ‘running away.’ I recall a rather impassioned comment from a reader last week who suggested that “leaving, i.e. running away, is certainly not the proper response.”

I find this logic to be flawed.

While the notion of staying and ‘fighting’ is a noble idea, bear in mind that there is no real enemy or force to fight. The government is a faceless bureaucracy that’s impossible attack. People who try only discredit their argument because they become marginalized as fringe lunatics.

Remember John Stack? He’s the guy who flew his airplane into the IRS building in Austin, Texas earlier this year because he had a serious philosophical disagreement over tax issues.

While his ideas may have had intellectual merit, they were immediately dismissed due to his murderous tactics.  Violence is rarely the answer, and it often has the opposite effect as intended, frequently serving to bolster support for the government instead of raising awareness of its shortcomings.

Unless/until government paramilitaries start duking it out with citizen militia groups in the streets, this is an ideological battle… and it’s an uphill battle at best.

Government controlled educational systems institutionalize us from childhood that governments are just, and that we should all subordinate ourselves to authority and to the greater good that they dictate in their sole discretion.

You’re dealing with a mob mentality, plain and simple. Do you want to waste limited resources (time, money, energy) trying to convince your neighbor that s/he should no not expect free money from the government?

You could spend a lifetime trying to change ideology and not make a dent; people have to choose for themselves to wake up, it cannot be forced upon them. And until that happens, they’re going to keep asking for more security and more control because it’s the way their values have been programmed.

When you think about it, what we call a ‘country’ is nothing more than a large concentration of people who share common values. Over time, those values adjust and evolve. Today, cultures in many countries value things like fake security, subordination, and ignorance over freedom, independence, and awareness.

When it appears more and more each day that those common values diverge from your own, all that’s left of a country are irrelevant, invisible lines on a map. I don’t find these worth fighting for.

Nobody is born with a mandatory obligation to invisible lines on a map. Our fundamental obligation is to ourselves, our families, and the people that we choose to let into our circles… not to a piece of dirt that’s controlled by mob-installed bureaucrats.

Moving away, i.e. making a calculated decision to seek greener pastures elsewhere, is not the same as ‘running away’… and I would argue that if you really want to affect change in your home country, moving away is the most effective course of action.

The government beast in your home country feeds on debt and taxes, and the best way to win is for bright, productive people to move away with their ideas, labor, and assets. This effectively starves the beast and accelerates its collapse. Then, when the smoke clears, you can move back and help rebuild a free society.

I’d really like to know what you think– which is the right thing to do, stay or leave? What are you planning to do?

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  • Shawley

    I am a west Indian. In 1959, the corrupt Battista government in Cuba was overthrown by a “liberator” whose intent was the same of most all liberators – to shift the power to himself so that he could be the abuser of power instead of Battista. I know people who were prominent in business in Cuba at that time. They saw the writing on the wall and quietly left. Fidel said “good riddance.” Unfortunately, he lost all the creative thinkers / investors and, to this day, Cuba has not recovered from this loss.

    In 1962, Jamaica went independent. I know many people who were prominent in business in Jamaica at that time. They saw the writing on the wall and left, depriving Jamaica of its best and brightest, as well as most of the investment dollars. Our dollar was on a par with Jamica’s back then. One of our dollars is now worth 100 Jamaican dollars. Jamaica has never fully recovered.

    Lynden Pindling did much the same in the Bahamas in 1973, with much the same results. Although he tried to get the investors back two years later, they never returned and the Bahamas entered a 25-year slump.

    My country recognised that without a vibrant private sector, a country is doomed both economically and socially. We have thrived while others in our region have consistently failed. Businessmen, investors and entrepreneurs are the drivers of any economy. It is they, not the government, who create prosperity in every instance. However, when the politicians make it clear that they intend to control business, the creators of prosperity tend to vote with their feet; quietly moving on.

    What was true in Rome is perennial. Once the republic is converted to a dictatorship, as is happening in America and Europe, the creators move elsewhere….and they don’t return, even if they are asked back, as in the case of the Bahamas and Jamaica.

    I regularly warn my US and European friends that the writing is on the wall for their countries, but they are adamant that they will “stay and fight” for their countries. However, as you say, there is no enemy to fight. It is a change in system that they can do little or nothing to change. Just as the Roman businessmen went north to live amongst the barbarians rather than remain in beautiful-but-dying Rome, there is only one positive choice when a country begins to collapse: Find a new home that is on the way up, rather than on the way down.

    • http://twitter.com/AlvinSan Alvin-San

      Very cogent, thank you. :>

    • Capn_Mike

      Oh, so right!
      I would REALLY LIKE to know what your country is.
      The DR?

  • Alex

    Hi Simon,
    This is my little contribution to the discussion you’ve opened a few days ago. The characters, a hard-nosed immigrant father and his teenage patriotic son, have the argument on subjects of patriotism, country, war and other topics close to your heart.
    This is an excerpt from by book Woman on the Moon.

    Alex Modzelewski

    I sprung to my feet, smiling, ready to deliver a coup de grace. My sword was on his neck. “So, our home, our country, you wouldn’t fight for?”
    My old man stood up as well, and pointed to the large, potted gum tree in the kitchen corner. “Pavel, would you kill a man, or get killed yourself, for that? It’s good dirt and a nice plant.”
    “No,” I hesitated.
    “Then you shouldn’t be ready to kill ten or a thousand men for a much bigger pile of dirt with plants on it.” He pointed through the window into our backyard. “If someone wanted this land outside really badly, I would be willing to sell it to him for a good price. That would still be cheaper for him than to wage a war.” Seeing my impatience, my father raised his hand. “Wait, important things: the country, the heritage, the pride—right?”
    “Yeah,” I exploded impatiently. “With your convictions, we would be pushovers. Nobody would respect us and anybody could take from us whatever they wanted!”
    “Here.” He slowly tapped his finger into his forehead a few times. “Here’s where your country lives. Your beliefs, culture, memories and friendships—that’s what makes your country. You can take it with you anywhere, as I did. The dirt, the buildings . . .” he waved his hand dismissively, “they look the same everywhere. Carrots grow the same in New Jersey and in Poland.”
    I was ready to drop the subject, couldn’t get satisfaction out of him that day. In any case, the army enrollment didn’t look that interesting anymore, but he grabbed me by my sleeve and rolled on. “Besides, you seem to misunderstand war; we have to correct that. You think the country with the best army wins, right?”
    “Yeah!” I wanted to leave the table, but he was again tempting me with his exposed unprotected flank, inviting my stab.
    “Then, why did Rome fail, great legions notwithstanding? Why did the Soviet empire crumble without a shot—while the Red Army, the biggest, nastiest gang armed with nukes up to their gills—was looking the other way? Those were great fighting forces! Economy, my friend! The strongest economy wins. That’s why the rich and technologically smart countries don’t get attacked. Put your industries in great shape and don’t worry about intruders; they will be crawling around, looking for handouts or loans. Their big armies are costly, you know. The respect you crave will come as a bonus. People who are really good at taking orders make great soldiers and slaves, but they neither make useful things nor gain much respect.”

  • Dream4059

    The short answer is stay if there is indeed a legitimate hope for exacting change towards greater personal freedoms. Of course the greatest challenge is “knowing” if change is possible. The U.S. is on the precipice of ruin and intentional systematic obliteration of freedom (funny that the former USSR states have moved in the opposite direction). Power corrupts. Unfortunately, our system of government is so corrupt (and powerful) that it is unlikely change is possible. It this case, U.S. citizens will no doubt make the greatest impact by leaving.

  • Random Blowhard

    Apart from Chile, New Zealand or Australia are also viable alternatives. Of the two New Zealand will give a higher bang for the buck in terms of land, farming opportunities and cost of living overall. Australia for the MUCH greater economic opportunities.
    Either way flee the United States,the Rule of Law in your country is disintegrating into the Rule Of Whim. Fascism, the best government money can buy.

    • Nick

      Having left Australia 3 years ago after spending 5 years there after 15 years of global travel, I can tell you with certainty that it is just another little police state, just like it’s Sugar-Daddy the USA. Our government folks are sickeningly obsequious to the power of the USA and to confirm this, one need only look at the disgusting treatment recently handed to one of its own citizens Julian Assange (of Wikileaks) … in the face of US pressure. I’m sad to say it, but as long as Australia stays the political course with the USA, it is similarly doomed. Look elsewhere … I chose Vilcabamba, Ecuador, and haven’t looked (or even been) back once!

  • Steve, Steve

    Simon, I think the intent of the originator, who ever mentioned “running away” was, was not to mean literally running away or by fighting to imply violence. Its just that you ONLY discuss going off, moving away, taking said marbles and going elsewhere (valuable, valuable yes, and for the record I’m for both) but like its the ne plus ultra, end all be all of “solutions!” …(not to mention life and livingness) But to help you or in going with what I think was the intent of the originator or on a perhaps lets confront level, I know we’re spirtual beings, lived before, now, and will again, and again, and again add infinitum, (is so boring / overwhelming about gives ya amnesia) and so what’s to keep ones moving, what your “running from” now from having completely overwhelmed the planet next time ya get around, next time you make it back here to hell, if your not willing to confront / somewhat contribute to some alternate mental / spiritual handling – ALSO – this time around. (I think that’s all he / she was trying to say …as I last week was going to mention the same thing lol)

    If all think they’re just going to “move away and move away, (I wonder if thats how the group, moob, bureaucratic insanity got a foothold in the first place) its eventually going to be, end up, or should I say … “coming to a theatre near you!” TO STAY! I’m with Carterbear1. And the way one rapidly growing group is going about it is – one by one. Rehabilitating the spiritual awareness / power of enough people, willing. That’ll eventually re-overwhelm the planet in the sane or other way and again you have your utopia – BUT AS WILL EVERYONG ELSE, RIGHT WHERE THEY ARE, WITHOUT THE LOOMING THREATS, (knowing it / the real threat was always between each and everyone’s ears …the mind, never the brain …only crude softwear for a body) ISN’T THAT THE BIGGER GAME WORTH “FIGHTING FOR” – right here in the good ol U S of A! …or whatever its called then.

  • Tr549

    My family came to America in the late 1700’s in search of freedom and opportunity. They were “running” toward something. In the journey they lost 3 of 4 children. They probably knew the risks. I’m doing everything I can to prepare for a journey of my own in search of a place with greater freedom and opportunity. I’m sad that America is no longer this place but there it does my children no good to look back at the greatness of America. My concern is their future and their children’s future.

  • Jaded Iris

    14 years ago I had the “noble ” idea to contribute to Canadian Society…………by writting letters, speaking with my politicians, etc. Ha, all it got me is 14 more years of a lazy spoiled society living off my taxes.
    Too, bad I didn’t read Simon in past years and escaped to a new future.
    Time is getting short due to age .It is very tough to find young people willing to have their own small business.
    Simon is right , look after your own skin! Myself,I would add ….. head for a developing country that “gets” from the UN and not a “giver ” to this organizaion. Starve the government.

  • Tlewisj1

    A magnificent response to zerohedge Mr. Black. I am sure it will open many eyes to un-thought of opportunity as it did mine.

    My name is Tony. I am a family man, been in the military for 15+ years and currently stationed overseas. My love for country has not blinded me to the erosion of its founding principles. That said I am looking for a country that will offer more freedom and independence for their future.

    Retirement from service will arrive in about 5 years. I like what I’ve read about Malaysia, Singapore, New Zealand and somewhat Uruguay. Thanks to you, Chile may now be on my radar.

    Anyhow, I have subscribed to your free newsletter and look forward to receiving all of them. Aside from that, in general, what solid advice would you provide a man in my situation?

    I welcome the advice of all. Please reply to:


    Best regards,


  • CAndrewC

    I was fortuante enough to get a good job during the “recession” when I graduated college in 2008. But it wasn’t enough (hours, pay etc..) Plus I was lucky enough to know world travelers who shared their experiences of LIVING abroad and I had the bug to get out since I was in High school..Just as Obama got elected I decided to quit my job and take off to South Korea. I was 22, it was time. A job teaching English awaited me. When added up (tax-exempt, company housing, 2 months paid vacation. highly respected by koreans,low crime, low cost of living) It is equal to making 50k/year in the US.. It is quite easy to save 15-20k in just one year of teaching.. Plus its a FUN job.. I ended up taking time to travel most of 2010 (while many of my friends back struggled to make rent working @ starbucks). After traveling most of Asia then visiting the US last summer, I am convinced Asia is the place to be. No country is perfect and some countries are even easier for foreigners to live in than for citizens. It is just about finding the nitche. Don’t see myself moving back to the states until there is a fundamental shift in the way of life. For now back in SK. Next stop, maybe a scholarship to get paid to learn Chinese in China? btw: I agree with Simon.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5XEUHTMJ3PHXWFZY7X7AIY7MN4 Kim Foy

      Don’t come back. And I mean that sincerely, with all respect. You come back here and you’ll regret it. I wish I could trade places with you.

  • Liz

    Leaving or staying… the ultimate decision! For some leaving is not possible due to family commitments where the family disagrees. For those leaving is wrong. When the family can agree, there’s nothing wrong with leaving once you have done all you believe you can to work within the system. We do the same thing with jobs and localities within our country. What would make it wrong to decide to leave if the benefits outweigh the consequences. I know I will leave once I can. I stay due to family commitments at this point. I’m ready to leave asap.

  • sunshine

    Leaving the United States is not running away~~ it is running toward something better. It is going back to roots. I am much happier in my chosen Latin American country, where families are so loving, and together. Where, if you have a problem, everyone shows up to help. Where, if you are injured, no one is afraid of being sued for helping. Where you are responsible for your own actions. Where people do not judge you, they accept. Where the computer repairman comes to your house, and charges $30 USD for how ever long it takes. Where I do not need to heat my villa. Where my home is so cheap, I paid cash for it. Where a movie is $4.00, the bus is 50 cents, a taxi into town is $6.00. Where the rules are bendable. Where people love people more than money. Where my investments are safe. Where I can buy fresh veggies and fruit from the local farmers, at the mercado, for almost nothing. Where I can buy 1 egg, if I wish, and it is freshly laid about an hour ago, by a happy range free chicken. Where I have true freedom, no one looking over my shoulder. Where the sun gives me all the Vitamin D I need, I breathe the negative ions from the sea, the air is fresh and clear, where the rain makes everything green. The mentality is to repair things as long as possible, not to throw them away and buy new. Do not waste, give the extra food to someone who needs it. This new way of thinking is part of me now, and I would never want to regress to the old !!!!

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  • Mikeintokyorogers

    I left in 1984. Haven’t regretted it once.

    It is wonderful watching the USA burn from afar.

    • Denis

      Where did you go that didn’t have these issues? Please tell me so I can move there.

      • mattkramer

        Tokyo, judging from his name. And from the fact he is a badass author!

  • Waiting

    I left 17 years ago because the option for me was: leave or take revolutionary action. There were not enough people ready to take revolutinary action. When that changes I will consider
    coming back.

  • sw

    I’m with you 100% until I draw a blank trying to figure out where it would be better.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1794706244 Richard Carpenter

    Re: Expatriation
    The problem is not America; the problem is democracy. Democracy means two wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat. Citizens soon discover how to vote themselves “benefits”. Special interests, by definition, care more about their cause than other citizens do. Passionate advocacy beats indifference every time. Most of us don’t care how many of the latest fighter planes the Air Force buys. Those who build the latest fighters care passionately. Many Americans can barely find Israel on the map. Many Americans who can instantly find the Litani River on the map believe passionately that Israel ought to have some of its water. Would that be good for the rest of us? “Huh? I dunno…”
    I am 57 years old and only speak English. Where can I go? I can go to Mexico or farther south. As the locals say, gringos go to Mexico to die. As Fred Reed points out, it is not why they GO but it is what they DO, there being no choice in the matter.
    If I could go to China and do something useful, and make a decent living, I would. But I can’t. I feel about the USA and democracy the way most of us feel about an old dog. He’s been such a loyal dog that we can’t bear to put him to sleep yet. We know he will not get any better but we take it one day at a time.

  • steve

    This is probably the most convincing article on the subject to date. I myself have pondered this situation. But when I stand back from the forest and look at the whole picture. Even if either poltical party wins (i.e. Rep. or Dem.) this endless struggle, I lose.

    Also, what insight. Move and starve the beast. Simply the best article on the subject.

  • Jonathan

    Run away? To where? This problem is global. Is there another country that offers a more efficient, less corrupt government? For how long? And if so, is this country’s government going to protect you from an invading superpower, or the multinational corporations setting up shop there with the backing of some superpower? Are these other countries free from radical, corrupt, murderous paramilitary groups? Police forces? Sounds like a scared bunny running away from the wolves, looking for another ‘haven’ ruled by another kind of predator. Leaving this country isn’t going to change anything here, they’ll just open the floodgates at the Mexican border and let in their future servants who will be more than happy to cater to their needs and serve their purposes. Anyone who flees is only granting themselves and their families a little extra time because everything happening here is part of the larger scheme of a one world government. The U.S. IS the last obstacle for the global elite because of our constitution and all the rights it guarantees on us, rights that no other country has or has ever had. Unless you’re going to flee to another planet stop wasting your time with plans that only prolong the inevitable. Stay here and fight for your sovereign rights…and stop kidding yourselves with this idea that it going to be better anywhere else, because some other superpower will eventually take over and the cycle will only continue, regardless of where you are! The United States government is a foreign corporation operating in a sovereign district called D.C. They are defined as such in the U.S. Code! You’re going to let a foreign corporation dictate where you live and somehow, someway, you think that you can find a place on this planet where it can never happen to you again? Wake up!

    • Lone Wolf

      @Johnathan very well put, nothing you just said can be refuted. I agree with Libertarianism/Sovereign Individual philosophy. But this “Opting Out” or “Move Somewhere Else” is such B.S. and a FALSE choice.

    • Tomas

      Jonathon,relocating has been an American mainstay since our inception. Reasons may vary,but move we do. Cross-border moves,while more difficult,really are no different. Borders change,governments change,neighborhoods change…we all react as we think best with no absolute right answer.

      America is in a long hard downturn that will likely last decades before a new normal sets in. America will find her new place in the world and life will go on,but not as the dominant world leader she has been. Living through a painful downward re-adjustment will be absolutely a stressful journey. To us,it took more strength to leave than to stay. Leaving lifelong friendships,our comfort zone,was painful,but we saw nothing that staying and fighting could change. We did what our forefathers did 350 years ago. We made a positive decision,fully informed and with our eyes wide open.

      We have re-located to a place that is on an upward path. Attitudinally,it is like the America I knew 50 years ago,but more impressive is the vibrancy of the enormous middle class. Critical thinking is commonplace. The level of civility is simply remarkable. Guns aren’t part of the culture. No one ever asks what church you attend. I could go on,but you get the picture.

      We didn’t run from America,we made a long careful analysis of what we thought would be best for our children and grandchildren for the next hundred years, We know boundries may change,governments may change,but the regional culture we chose is strong and likely to endure in very good ways,no matter what political winds blow.

      You have made the decision that is right for you,but don’t be quick to assume that those who choose to leave the US are making a mistake.

      We are now one happy family of six immigrants who are set on making a positive difference in our new country.

    • Nick

      By extension then Jonathan, it depends what one’s assessment of the timeline of such “influence” in the place you choose to go is; ie, how far along is this influence in one place or another … right now.

      If one feels one can happily live out the next 50 years or so in a place relatively untouched by these forces, then why not go and do it? Things generally (globally), are in such a state of flux it is impossible to predict any more than about 5 or 10 years into the future anyway. And the Black Swan events previously mentioned (which may well provide the catalyst for profound civil unrest), by definition, are un-knowable and unforseeable.

      So, without necessarily disagreeing with your premise, I do disagree that there is no point moving elsewhere. Inevitably, this will necessarily be an individual decision, based on the individual’s value-set as well as their assessment of the other options available to them.

  • Jheape

    Very good argument. I agree with your analysis. There comes a point where “resistance is futile” and I feel the US is at that point. I see nothing but misery,facism, and tyranny in our future.

  • onlyme

    I think you are correct. However I am already retired and leaving is expensive and I don’t have transferable wealth so I am essentially screwed. We all have to die someday but I don’t intend to go meekly.

  • http://www.healthyplanetdiet.com Peacepower

    I am preparing to leave. Life is too short and precious to spend it in a country where the political leaders seem determined to destroy any prospect of economic health for the nation, but even the physical health of its citizens.

    Any nation that hasn’t learned the lesson of our failed war on little Vietnam, after 40+ years to think about it, is likely to bring terrible misfortune on its citizens and all that it touches.

    Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan — eventually our national wealth will be dissipated and the inevitable blowback will be too much for us to resist. Why sit here and suffer for the misguided policies of our crazed leaders?

  • Vive_lempereur

    I’m actually intending to leave once my schooling is completed. My wife is a foreign citizen and I intend to purchase some property and begin life there. Having been outside the U.S., it’s amazing how the rest of the world really lives. People in other lands do not worship their government officials, they openly denounce them. They do not live with armed thugs with badges calling themselves Police, FBI or ATF trying to set them up for crimes or stealing property under asset forfeiture.

    Kids do not sit in front of TV’s endlessly watching the mind numbing Disney channel or playing violent video games. Water tables aren’t intentionally poisoned with sodium flouride or lithium. Adult men can take an active interest in their family life and not chase after sports teams on ESP all day long. Adult women don’t consume all their time trying to find ways to put their husbands in debt for a larger home, a newer car or piece of jewlery. There really are some places like this.

    Yeah, there are nice places to live if anyone is willing to go out and look. Surprisingly, many foreigners do speak English and learn it at an early age. What a shame our children are intentionally not taught other languages proficiently.

  • Earthfood

    I’m staying. I can be free to a great extent in an unfree world. I worked most of my adult life off the grid: cash and bartering, no taxes, no social security and medicare deductions. I don’t and won’t accept any govt. entitlements. I try to minimize my exposure to any govt. I pay real estate taxes and because I have some investmets I file income tax returns. I live in the country. I share livestock with my next door neighbor who is a farmer. And our neighborhood is populated by people who mind their own business but are very friendly and ready to lend a hand. Most of us have gardens. I built my own home and have lived here 32 years. I have 34 acres of woods, streams and an old farm pond with lots of fish, frogs and a variety of turtles including snappers. The nearest town is peacful, full of diverse culture, many wonderful places to eat, and there are mountains everywhere. There is an extensive and thriving small farming economy throughout this area providing a variety of meats, dairy products, vegetables and herbs to farmers markets, grocery stores and restaurants. So I am inclined, at least for now, to continue to make my stand here. Each must make their own decisions. And I agree with you: My obligations are to myself, my family, and my friends; to treat them with respect and interact with them as with all peacful people on a voluntary basis, as common sense would dictate.

  • J-ct

    I have considered expatriating and will probably rue the day if I decide not to. At 62 and with family ties and obligations, my first impulse is to stay out of harms way (physically and financially), as best I can, within the USA, and that may prove to be my biggest mistake.

  • Incoserv

    Philosophically I agree with you. However, when collapse comes, I believe that it will be so universal as to make nowhere the “better” place to be. Especially, being an expatriate, an “outsider”, in any place when resources become scarce assures that you will be among the first to be denied or among the first to be looted. Not that being “at home” will make it much better, but at least one would have the “home court advantage.”

  • Nickelthrower


    My wife and myself downsized to the point that we could move on to a sailboat. It has its own plumbing system (to include a shower). I do not need fossil fuels to move about. I converted most of my appliances to run off of 12V – I can generate my own electricity and make my own water.

    Unlike the people that believe that gold will have value in a societal collapse, I have stockpiled necessities that people must have in order to survive.

    My wife and I still work and carry on as before but now we are a part of a self sufficient community of boaters.

    Every boat has survival equipment.
    Every boat has a large first aid kit.
    Every boat has a radio, many have radar.
    All of us have charts and maps.

    All it will take is one Black Swan event that cuts off our supply of oil and then society will collapse. Since I’ve already made plans with my neighbors for this event, we’ll just caravan out to sea and wait for the dust to settle.

    Staying on land just isn’t an option

    • Jtsobe

      Sounds something like “Water World”.

      • Nickelthrower


        Not really “Water World” but a means to remove my family from the initial chaos. People concentrate around transportation hubs – road, rail, port and airports. The moment you move more than a mile or more from the nearest transportation route or hub is the moment you stop seeing people.

        Since LA County has over 10 million people, I can not find anyplace nearby that isn’t covered by road or railroad leaving the sea as my only option. From where I sit, though, I can see a string of deserted islands (about 20 miles away) and there are hundreds of abandoned oil rigs. I would rather take my chances there than with the 10 Million People that will be freaking the hell out.

        (edited for spelling)

  • CWN79

    There is nowhere to run. There is nowhere to hide. Most people do not have the means anyway. It is all a fantasy. What country is not controlled by a degenerate government? Where can one live in freedom and peace?

    Rome was a different time, a different place. Now, everything is global and controlled by technology. How do you escape that? Especially if you do not have tons of money?

    How does one fight the NWO? How does an honest man fight the monster without becoming one? Or must you become a monster to take one on? Who knows?


  • Stephen White

    Simon – thank you for you fine article.

    You might consider visiting a site called Freedom Force. The founder of this orgainzation (G. Edward Griffin) has also written and spoken about this kind of thinking. His conclusion is that there really isn’t anyplace left to go where the major powers don’t have a great deal of influence, so effectively you can’t get away. I’m not saying this is necessarily the correct thinking, but you and your readers might visit the site to help you develop your thinking on the issue.

  • Fiberious28

    Democracy destroyed Rome and Greece. Massman is a parasite and stupid. Massman is everywhere as well. Good Luck!

  • Tomas

    There is no “one size fits all” answer to emigration. My family,three generations of us,decided to make a change in 2005. Because we believe that globalization is peaking and,imperceptible (so far) re-localization to be emergent,we decided that region was at least as important as country.

    We wanted a temperate climate, sufficient water resourses,nearby food production,a well educated populace,a small city with strong arts and culture,a multi-generational home within walking or bicycling distance of almost everything,and a national government that,at least,gave us hope for stability. We did not believe that taxes and cost of livng should be determining factors.

    In 2007,after 352 years in America,we left. It wasn’t easy,it wasn’t cheap,and in some ways we are less well-off than before,but now, after all the economic and emotional stress is behind us,our quality of life has soared,like a re-potted plant,we have put out new roots and we are growing in wonderful ways.

    Where we picked is not as important as having a set of parameters that meets the needs of the individuals seeking a better life.

    We think and hope our family to be in a good place for the next 352 years.

  • Guest

    I agree, there is nothing at all wrong philosophically with moving. America has definitely turned into a police-state shithole. However you are just exchanging one set of masters for another. It may well be a nicer set, but the fact still exists. Anyway I wouldn’t go anywhere without my battle rifles, and that rules out a lot of places!

    Also, I am getting old. I might have moved if I were 40, but at 60 I’m here for good. I have found a community where I can survive and watch the empire crash in relative safety; and if it turns out not to be safe, I’ll just take a few of the bastards with me when I die. Good enough!

    BTW, it was Joe Stack, not John Stack. And it’s not a question of either leaving, or emulating Joe. There are lots of other options.

  • Tom Cuddy

    I wonder if the Jews and other who left Germany in the 1930’s (like Einstein) were cutting and running? I do believe that a brain drain would be best but I don’t see it happening

    • http://dagnysrebuttal.com Jeremy

      “I do believe that a brain drain would be best but I don’t see it happening”

      how do you not see it happening? it’s happening now, believe me.

      i am a 26 year old american software engineer, very skilled, very creative and with a bright future.

      i am living and working in new zealand now, being productive for the kiwis. there is plenty of freedom down under!

    • jonathan

      They weren’t armed and they didn’t have a constitution that allowed them to form militias as protection against a renegade government.

  • Cwilliams2724

    Great Article.
    I found another great article by Walter Williams on Self-Ownership on WND that attacks the problem from a different point of view.
    I believe we have to band together & start a “new” religion. One that preaches, Loud & Clear, that everyone is created in God’s image & therefore free from all city, state, federal laws. Free to obey God’s Law & the Law of Christ Jesus, Love thy Neighbor.
    It will have to be truly non-violent but non-submissive to man’s laws.

  • Jason

    I’m happy to say that my father was born in Switzerland. He just recently urged me to get all of my papers in order. The US is going down … it’s just a question of when.

  • Rex

    What an awesome article. I currently live in California, and here the “beast is starving”. People ARE moving out, and going to places that value freedom and personal responsibility.

    The paragraph that hit me the most: “Nobody is born with a mandatory obligation to invisible lines on a map. Our fundamental obligation is to ourselves, our families, and the people that we choose to let into our circles… not to a piece of dirt that’s controlled by mob-installed bureaucrats.” How true! Government is so ubiquitous in our present day lives that it’s easy to forget that it’s largely just an agreement between people, even if the extent of their agreement is to let it exist by ignoring it.

    Personally, I’m in the midst of an internal battle over leaving California, the US entirely, or just staying. Currently, I’m leaning toward staying in the US, but moving to a state that’s not afraid to tell the Federal government “NO!”, away from town, and learning to garden and hunt.

  • Xenophon

    If you are prepared financially and emotionally for life in a different culture, I would advise leaving.

  • Folkler

    Being someone who has made this choice, I can tell you this. If approached with determination and a positive attitude, it can be done. It ain’t easy, but it can be done.

    For those who say “there is no place where the ka-ka won’t hit the fan”… You are right. But you miss the point entirely. Yes the world economy is going to suffer, and no where is going to be pain free. But I didn’t choose between “Pain or no Pain”… rather the amount of pain and the amount of oppressive fascism I am willing for my children to live under.

    I am not rich by any measure. I have skills people will pay for, and I moved to Singapore where that is still a respected way of life.

    I long since realized the “American Dream” is inside of me, not something born of a particular location — sprouting full cloth from the soil.

    At the end of the day, you stay or go for your own reasons. Just make sure you understand YOUR reasons, and the consequences from you choices.

    Sadly, we “live in interesting times”…

  • Sasha

    I did leave my own country already, Russia. But, I have chosen poorly. We had no idea that there is no more freedom, no more law or justice in US. We were told lies. Russia is much much worse, but that doesn’t make US a free country it believes it is.

    Land of the swat, home of the remote control warrior…

    I will move again. I must. Life is too short to obey.

    Speaking of staying and fighting. This seems to be the immoral choice to me. Ultimately, one must realize that the slavery is not brought about by any government or tyrant. It is brought about by one’s own neighbors and countrymen.

    Ether by stupidity or malice, they chose to enslave you, they chose to ruin the country, so that they can steal a little bit of what is your sweat.

    Fighting would mean to apply force against these people, and oh yes, be sure, they will side with the government when the push comes to shove. Why? Because, they are ready to enslave you today, when the going is easy, therefore they will chose to enslave you even more tomorrow, when the going gets tough.

    Do I have a right to impose my views on them? No. They may chose to play the game of enslavement of each other, hoping that they will be the beneficiaries, but they do have a right to choose that. I choose not to play.

    And besides, most of them are zombies. They have went to government schools and they have no idea of what they are doing. They are bots. Like in Matrix, they have no soul, no brain. They are batteries, and they think they can use others to charge themselves up. In this way, they are innocent, by way of senility.

    One can never hope to build freedom by taking it from someone else. One can not vote for “better” and expect a good outcome, because he already agrees that should he be the majority, he will send the swat team with guns to force everyone else his way. So, in doing the violence or voting (violence by other hands), he had sealed his fate already.

    Like Jefferson did, the only moral way to fight is to declare independence with those around you. Only to defend, not to attack. To defend, presupposes a clear line in the sand, to attack, presupposes such line to be erased.

    The only way is to say: “Thanks, but no thanks” and walk away.
    Walk to where people want the same thing as you are. Freedom, Justice (talking about individualism), Independence, Honesty (talking about money). Away from collectivists and scammers. Away from old GULAGS and the ones just forming.

  • Shaun

    This is a great read. Yes, we can’t pull up and head west, as my ancestors did when mobs and Governors (Lilburn W. Boggs of Missouri with his “extermination order”) began full on state sanctioned murder against them—US citizens—denied the promised protections of the Bill of Rights.

    There is no face to fight. Huge beaurocracies indeed seemingly have no way to be dealt with. I’m all about bailing out of this place to live free elsewhere, perhaps I may as the thought germinates in my mind.

    Fun posts.

    Dwight Eisenhower’s Secretary of Agriculture, Ezra Taft Benson, who hated Communism/Socialism forecast what is ahead for America given the wicked corruption in high places and the “conspiracy” that he frequently addressed as taking place at the highest levels in the US Government:

    “Today the Christian constitutionalist mourns for his country. He sees the spiritual and political faith of his fathers betrayed by wolves in sheep’s clothing. He sees the forces of evil increasing in strength and momentum under the leadership of Satan, the arch-enemy of freedom. He sees the wicked honored and the valiant abused. He senses that his own generation faces Gethsemanes and Valley Forges that may yet rival or surpass the trials of the early Apostles and the men of ’76. And this gives him cause to reflect on the most basic of fundamentals—the reason for our existence. Once we understand that fundamental, the purpose for mortality, we may more easily chart a correct course in the perilous seas that are engulfing our nation.” (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 397.)

    And the guy who was given great credit (behind the scenes) for being the speech writer for two very well respected US Senators at the time the “League of Nations” was being pushed by the Globalist stooge Woodrow Wilson, J. Reuben Clark Jr. was that speech writer who gave this warning to US Citizens of his church:

    Ezra Taft Benson cites President J. Reuben Clark’s warning that, “‘we stand in danger of losing our liberties, and that once lost, only blood will bring them back; and once lost, we of this church will, in order to keep the Church going forward, have more sacrifices to make and more persecutions to endure than we have yet known. . . .’ (CR, April 1944, p. 116.) He also stated that if the conspiracy ‘comes here it will probably come in its full vigor and there will be a lot of vacant places among those who guide and direct, not only this government, but also this Church of ours.’ (CR, April 1952, p. 80.) (Conference Report, April 1972, Ensign, July 1972, p. 61; as quoted in God, Family, Country, p. 323; quoted also in The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 107; again on pp. 658-659.)

    So, that, from a Mormon, is some of what I expect to see here in the United States ultimately, due to this evil “conspiracy” that Ezra Taft Benson (who also became LDS Church President years after being in the Eisenhower Administration. This may not make much sense to those not familiar with this theology, but here is another of his warnings of what is ahead given the vicious secret societies growing stronger in the land:

    “One of the most urgent, heart-stirring appeals made by Moroni as he closed the Book of Mormon was addressed to the gentile nations of the last days. He foresaw the rise of a great world-wide secret combination among the gentiles which ‘seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries.’ (Ether 8:25.)” (Conference Report, Oct. 1961, Improvement Era, Dec. 1961, p. 953; as quoted in God, Family, Country, p. 348.)

    “Moroni seemed greatly exercised lest in our day we might not be able to recognize the startling fact that the same secret societies which destroyed the Jaredites and decimated numerous kingdoms of both Nephites and Lamanites would be precisely the same form of criminal conspiracy which would rise up among the gentile nations in this day. . . .

    “Moroni described how the secret combination would take over a country and then fight the work of God, persecute the righteous, and murder those who resisted. Moroni therefore proceeded to describe the workings of the ancient secret combinations so that modern man could recognize this great political conspiracy in the last days. (See Ether 8:23-25.) (Conference Report, Oct. 1961, Improvement Era, Dec. 1961, p. 954; as quoted in God, Family, Country, p. 349.)

  • Weeklyemailupdates

    As an American, I find, well…. In the founding of this great country, it is well documented that courage and a firm understanding of history was essential, if its freedom you want please look in you undies drawer for clean whites. Run from the tyrannical and its only a matter of time before you find you self running again.

  • None

    the real battle is spiritual… to live without judgement. maybe i go here, maybe i go there… walking always in natural subjection to heaven above. we do what we can; hopefully do what we must. pray for courage, strength, wisdom. we are told “get out of Babylon”… that starts right here.


    Look, it all comes down to economics or survival in the basest sense. With that in mind your only choice is to follow the money by determining what is happening around you. The American Civil War was nothing more than a money grab by the corporations which first began to realize how they could make money out of an issue that caused great emotions on each side. Lincoln was nothing more than a pawn in the hands of these people and the people in the Southern States were doomed from the start as they had no industrial base from which to wage war. I use this analogy to say that in order to protect your family you can’t get all emotional about Conservative vs. Liberals and all the other crap you see on your television set. Make up your mind to make some money out of whatever deal presents itself and you and your family will be better off for it, and so will the country for that matter.

  • An.

    Can one fight against the army while being one of it’s soldiers?

    Only as a traitor! One can not fight otherwise.

    You could fight against the foreign enemy invading, yes.

    But you can not fight your own countrymen.

    Now look at your countrymen. How many will give up the free stuff they get “from the government”? Every 999 out of a thousand here wants something from others. These 999 will not fight for anything good. You will be the enemy, and you will become the enemy of the state and of the people simultaneously, if you not agree to redistribution of wealth, or at least to oppressive government that believes it should and can rule your life for your own good.

    There is darkness coming to this place, for thousand years. It is simply a reflection of people desires to oppress each other and redistribute.

    You could wait, or you could move. Fighting will do nothing good to you, not to the ones (most everyone) you’ll be fighting.

    Fighting only results in victory if there is a common desire for what that result brings. This is far from being the case in US today. Unfortunately.

  • AL

    There’s another option and it’s related to the ‘stay’ option. With a like-minded, (meaning individuals with democracy as the goal), group of people, GO UNDERGROUND and do guerrilla fighting. It worked in Vietnam and it’s working in Afghanistan. It was even effective by a small group of Southern men in the Civil War…I think they were called Bushwhackers.
    In some ways, Secret Societies , have been winning all the time and we don’t even notice it. I’m straying…However, my point being is that there are always more than two options. Always.

  • Gringo in Chile

    Looking at past totalitarian societies, for example, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, people left in stages. Those who saw what was happening and left early were able to take all their possessions. Those who left a little later were able to take what they could carry. Those in the next group were lucky if they got out with their families intact. Those in the last group were lucky to get out alive at all. We wanted to be in the first group.

    We stopped flying after 9/11/01–not out of fear of terrorists, but because I was unwilling to subject my children to molestation at the hands of the government. As I said back then, anyone else touching a child like that would go to jail. And that was with the early pat-downs! So we drove or took the train, while we waited for the airline industry to suffer so much that the groping would stop. After a while it was obvious it wouldn’t stop–so many people were so grateful for being kept “safe,” and, after all, “everything changed” on 9/11–and things were only getting worse.

    I fully agree with a statement I read somewhere about when to leave: “Better a year too early than a day too late.” Three years ago, we made reservations on a cruise to South America, arranged for shipping of our household goods, and came to Chile. Many Chilenos remember life under a dictatorship, and are reluctant to let the government have that kind of power again.

    Life is not as convenient here as in the states. Some things are better (produce actually has flavor, taxis are cheaper), some worse (try to get a decent vacuum which will actually vacuum, or a washer large enough to accommodate the laundry of several children). Most crime is petty. I’ve been advised not to leave my purse in the shopping cart while my back is turned, but I don’t worry about strangers on the street. The most nervous I’ve been in all the time we’ve been here is a few months ago when I had to take the children to Santiago to get their passports renewed. The American embassy is considered American soil, and I didn’t feel calm again until we walked out of the gate a few hours later.

    I read comments on so many articles on various sites, where people talk about their line in the sand. “If the government does [fill in the blank], I’ll fight.” Unfortunately, with most people, when the government crosses that line, they step back and draw a new line. All of you who want to stay and fight to return the country to what it should be, that is admirable, but be aware that many people who ostensibly agree with you will not be fighting at your side; they will be drawing new lines for the government to cross.

    • Guest

      I just realized something reading your post – so I scanned others – and you’ll find a lot of people here DO NOT FLY for reasons you mention. These readers got a clue early – and certainly with the latest TSA tactics – that its a demoralizing, barbaric practice at the boarding gates these days – yet SO MANY PEOPLE TOLERATE IT?!? But not here. We won’t accept it.

      I stopped flying after a well rated airline sent my luggage halfway round the world (it had a really great tripe without me and that was half the reason I was jealous) and then the same airline lost a dog-leg flight booked to get me back home (had to repurchase – never paid back – stranded without a hotel for 3 days – lovely trip) and then upon arrival in San Francisco with no sleep for 5 days total – I was in NO MOOD for TSA Antics and made it clear from the Immigration desk through baggage claims if ANYONE messed up my day any further I’d have them in court. I was LOUD, OBNOXIOUS, THREATENING, TOLD THEM TO SHOVE IT WHEN THEY ASKED ME TO QUIET DOWN and TSA’s focus was 100% on me for that trip through SFO – the rest of you can thank me later.

      But that was my last flight ever. I don’t just mistrust (?despise?) the entire TSA/DHS agenda, but airlines are more like meat packing plants now; certainly not “Friendly Skies”.

      So…I want to start the Simon Sailing Club – any takers?

  • Tomas

    The Sequem,Port Townsend area is a “best kept secret “kind of place on the Olympic Penensula about 1 1/2 hours from Seattle.

    If you don’t want to emigrate,but might want to move because you have concerns about what may happen in US cities should the economy deteriorate into civil unrest,then this little pastoral corner of the world could be just the spot. Blessed with amazing climate,this small area is in a rain shadow,making it somewhat unique in the Northwest. Plants and people flourish in this near perfect temporate climate.

    I have driven through a few times and marveled at all that the area seems to offer. I have heard that the cost of living is reasonable,but don’t know that firsthand.

    Seems like a pretty good solution to avoid chaos and without emigration.

    • http://twitter.com/landessolara Landess

      My Parents just retired there with the hope you just outlined…I can confirm that your “hunch” about the area is true.

      Moving out of a city is probably a good idea but it’s not going to insulate you from “reduced civil liberties, higher taxes, insane despots, and a polluted currency.”

      Good luck!

  • Thinking & Deciding

    Good article. I’m a US citizen living in an African country where there was in fact a brain-drain in response to the existing form of government. Said brain-drain has starved the existing infrastructure to such a manner that what once existed in terms of globally competitive infrastructure, skill-set and operational maturity now exists in a broken down, skill-set-missing with minimal to zero (in some cases) operational maturity. It is a tough life here. I listen to historical locals keep saying, “That was the bottom, things will improve from here.” It has been multiple decades they’ve been saying that I understand. I’ve specifically left out the geographical details for safety purposes.

    I’ve a graduate degree in the international relations space and am technical by career leading me to believe I have a reasonable ability to organize data into like groups, find patterns and subsequent asserted thesis statements therein…

    …what has alarmed me, are the number of parallels I’ve purposefully and accidentally discovered between my home society and the one in which I’m currently living. I continue to look for more data suggesting I have it wrong. I cannot find it as frequently as I find more data suggesting there are parallels that I should be understanding, learning from and addressing. A large portion of it stems from having a national identity, having an individual identity, standing up for what you believe, having a government in place that fosters opportunity as a priority over protecting via/through/from fear and so on. I see it decaying at home and it has already decayed here. Locals tell me things are on the up-swing. What is more likely on the up-swing is the economic opportunity for outsiders rather than improvement for the locals.

    I grew up the son of a military man. I love my country to a fault and I’ll always love my country, its history, its people and contributions to the world to my end. It brings me to tears to consider anything other than my country. I believe in the history, the historical figures, the ideals, philosophies and precepts upon which we were constructed and have evolved. However, and as a simple example, I no longer believe a regular person can run for President. It is no longer accessible to regular people. In theory, yes. In reality, no. Simple example. I also believe that, in the name of security, we’re giving up freedoms at an alarming rate within my generation alone, let alone watching it evolve across a fifty year span. I don’t like where it seems to be going and I struggle to believe it can/will change until the machine itself breaks as a result of its own design/decisions.

    What I struggle with is staying, living and attempting to contribute to the ideological precepts of our country’s history, i.e. help fix it. Apparently this makes me a romantic. I am a romantic, but not without insertion of the gross realities of sacrifice to get me here. Regardless of political chess board decisions that caused sacrifice of men and women through the years, I will be eternally grateful to those people who gave, even when they didn’t agree with the premise behind the directive, in order for me to have a life.

    It brings me to my knees to consider that their sacrifices may (are) be potentially overlooked as just part of the process. I have only just begun to consider a true globalization living implication in response to where I believe my first love is actually heading. Inertia. Unless something drastic happens (and I don’t know what that may be), I struggle to believe the machine will right itself. I’m passively looking around at other countries in the world considering ‘what next’. The world itself is a giant chess board and my home is one of the best chess players on the planet. I’m trying to decide, contiguous with this article, what and where my role will be going forward.

    My DNA has and always will be red, white and blue. To raise a family full of critical thinkers, I need to foster globalized chess board thought, systems thinking if you will. Right now we’re doing that from out of country. Now we’re discussing ‘what next’.

    This is an excellent article. To be effective in any role, whether in or out of home country, we have to individually and en masse increase our ability to see with clarity, eliminate romantic decisioning and find a common base from which we make evolve. As a people, we are more often motivated by an event (e.g. 911) than a potential choice (democratic choice and how many of us actually believe in it or leverage it). A brain drain may well be the pertinent choice. It has worked where I am at the moment. However, it was stimulated as a response to military action against the local populace. I pray it is not such at home.

  • Guest

    As Simon and many others point out – if you are holding gold, silver, arable land, a sustainable water system you can control (difficult, but not impossible at all), you have a chance. Add to that the ability to enter or leave any nation easily – regardless of “which passport” in your quiver does the job – chances of survival when others are suffering, again go up dramatically. Since I won’t fly (I am not a grope victim – but many are – I feel for them) – then you’ll also need a sailboat capable of doing the job. One advantage never discussed here (Simon doesn’t take to water well) is that a sailboat avoids all kinds of nasty problems present at airports, eliminates the need for a hotel, makes exporting items easier, gives you a large “vault”, protection from various Navies, (should you wish) and while YES – its slower – it also gives you skills that are keys to community integration when you arrive somewhere. The engineering, energy, fuel, food and water production and conservation skills of sailors, as a rule, are vastly superior to 99% of the folks who live on land.

    I strongly recommend you look into it – and for those interested – we are looking into developing a chain of “sustainable communities” based on opening a chain of marinas in remote areas. Simon readers who sail are always welcome to chip in.

  • Gene Callahan

    “You know the rest of the story– Romans watched their leadership and country get worse and worse.”

    False. The 100s, the height of the Pax Romana, were a period of peace and relatively good rule — think Marcus Aurelius.

  • Citizen Rosebud Kane

    I agree that too much concentrated power in govt. is a bad thing, but so is too much concentrated power in private hands. In fact it’s worse. You and I don’t have much of a chance of voting to change the board Goldman Sachs or Exxon-Mobil, as they use their vast wealth to influence our govt.

  • the other 99.9 percent

    if checks and balances worked in the 21’st century with a 18th century government maybe we would have a republic or perhaps the first real democracy

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Stretch/100003236674888 Jim Stretch

    isnt “running away” what our ancestors did?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Stretch/100003236674888 Jim Stretch

    leave or have two or more places to call “home” as soon as feasible

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